Originally posted by Galan007
This is obviously what it was, because there is not a "number" beyond infinity. 👆
You finally forced me to google it for you.
Will we reach a point where I have to crop the panel from that scan which reveals that transfinite numbers is what Strange is talking about?
To clarify(even though I shouldn't have to):
In the fictional world of Marvel comics, I have no doubt that there is a "number beyond infinity"-- that's the thing about fiction: you can do whatever the hell you want. I am just pointing out how poor that dialogue sounds from a 'real world' perspective.
Why? Because infinity, by its very nature, cannot be quantified with a number. Therefore, the statement "a number beyond infinity", makes it sound like infinity can be designated numerically, which was just a poor choice of dialogue imo, because we know it can't be. The real world concept of 'transinfinite numbers' doesn't change a word I just said.
That's all I'm saying.
That really isn't the case though. Prior to Cantor, everyone thought there was only one infinity.
Transfinite numbers are way of proving the existence of numbers that are bigger than this baseline infinity.
Thus showing that there is absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever with Marvel's choice of dialogue in that scan. Transfinite numbers completely sh1t on your ill-informed accusations against Marvel narrative, as the scan is actually talking ABOUT transfinite numbers. Or did you miss the last panel where Strange mentions it?
I have no issue with one infinity existing within a more encompassing infinity. However, that doesn't change the fact that there is not a "number" beyond infinity, as the scan implies. Suggesting otherwise is to suggest that it is possible to count to infinity-- a laughably ridiculous notion. Again: the concept of transinfinite numbers DOES NOT suggest that infinity can come to an end and/or be given an ultimate numerical designation. If you disagree, then you need to research it a bit more, because you are wrong.
In the end it doesn't matter, because Marvel still solidified the concept in their works, and it was obvious what they were going for... It still could have been worded better, though.
Originally posted by Galan007
I have no issue with one infinity existing within a more encompassing infinity. However, that doesn't change the fact that there is not a "number" beyond infinity, as the scan implies. Suggesting otherwise is to suggest that it is possible to count to infinity-- a laughably ridiculous notion. Again: the concept of transinfinite numbers DOES NOT suggest that infinity can come to an end and/or be given an ultimate numerical designation. If you disagree, then you need to research it a bit more, because you are wrong.
Anyways, the fact that transfinite numbers are technically "infinite", and coupled with the fact that said infinities are referred to as a type of "number", it's pretty clear to me who's right and who's wrong. Hint:
Spoiler:.
it's not you
I'm wrong, eh?
Okay, then please provide me with a source stating that infinity can come to an end, and can be quantified with a numerical designation. This is a rhetorical question, because I know that no such proof exists. If infinity could be quantified by a specific number, then it wouldn't be infinite at all-- it would be finite. Very, very simple concept.
And once more(I shouldn't have to repeat myself this much): the concept of "transinfinite numbers" does not suggest that infinity can come to an end and/or be given an ultimate numerical designation. If you think it does suggest that there is a finite end to infinity(lol?), then you honestly have no clue what you are talking about.
^I am not sure whether you're purposely trying to troll here, if you have serious reading comprehension problems, or you're just arguing to argue.
But anyways, if you missed the proof that I've been providing in the last 5 or 6 posts, I don't know how to help you here. Nor do I understand where exactly are you getting this ridiculous idea that infinity comes to an end, because the scan doesn't suggest any such thing, and I certainly never did.
Anyways, I am not sure exactly how this thread ended up getting derailed from a discussion about Orion and Rune King Thor to one concerning Marvel's choice of semantics when describing transfinite numbers.
So Galan, considering that you don't have the first clue as to what you're talking about here, I'll let you have the last word. 👆
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You keep bringing up the term "transinfinite numbers" as though it means anything at all in regard to my point. It doesn't. If you think it does, then you must not have a good grasp on what I have been saying or a good grasp on the concept itself. Why? Because the concept of "transinfinite numbers" does not suggest that infinity can come to an end or be given an ultimate numerical designation.
Infinity cannot be "counted to", nor is there some sort of oxymoronic finite end to it. That said, infinity, by its very definition, cannot be quantified with a specific number. Therefore, the statement: "a number greater than infinity" is nonsensical terminology by real world standards.
Failure to recognize the above as 100% fact(because that's what it is) shows me that you really have no clue what you're arguing at this point.
Originally posted by Galan007Actually, the word he keeps using is transfinite, not transinfinite.
😂You keep bringing up the term "transinfinite numbers" as though it means anything at all in regard to my point. It doesn't. If you think it does, then you must not have a good grasp on what I have been saying or a good grasp on the concept itself. Why? Because the concept of "transinfinite numbers" does not suggest that infinity can come to an end or be given an ultimate numerical designation.
Infinity cannot be "counted to", nor is there some sort of oxymoronic finite end to it. That said, infinity, by its very definition, cannot be quantified with a specific number. Therefore, the statement: "a number greater than infinity" is nonsensical terminology by real world standards.
Failure to recognize the above as 100% fact(because that's what it is) shows me that you really have no clue what you're arguing at this point.
Transfinite is actually less than or equal to infinity, but more than finite.
Weird term.
Originally posted by JuntaiGalan needed to hear this as it's been weighing heavily on his decrepit back for 7 years. Better late than never Carver always says when he kidnaps his now adult victims. 👆
Actually, the word he keeps using is transfinite, not transinfinite.Transfinite is actually less than or equal to infinity, but more than finite.
Weird term.