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The "Ideaverse" is one of the dumbest ideas I've seen Marvel produce,
concerning its cosmology. (if its actually part of it)

Historically the Deadpool line is more of a joke than anything else,
let's just hope that's some idiotic silliness confined to Deadpool's world.
Anyway, yall know Marvel's structure,
I've posted all those Marvel scans for years now, except the Deadpool comedy.

The Marvel Omniverse is simply all its universes.
So, ie. it is an infinite amount of universes just like in that Exiles scan
I posted many times before.
We know how to differentiate between "omniverse" and multiverse"
by paying attention to the context of the story.

Simple.

Originally posted by operator616
doctor strange sorcerer supreme #21:

http://i.imgur.com/ZIee5oB.jpg

Lol. facepalm

^Georg Cantor is lolling at you from his grave.

Anyways, Leo pretty much summed up everyone's "ideas" regarding the neverending terminologies that Marvel keeps on applying to a collection infinite universes.

Guess that particular aspect of the discussion is over.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
^Georg Cantor is lolling at you from his grave.

^From a layman's perspective, I guess you would be right.

From a mathematical perspective though, I doubt it's that much of a problem.

Even in mathematics, infinity is never treated as a finite numerical designation. That said, while I understand the concept that Marvel was trying to apply in that comic, they used piss-poor verbiage to do so.

"a number greater than infinity"-- this is a laughably absurd choice of dialogue to use. Infinity is not a finite "number". They could have just said "infinity beyond infinity" or somesuch-- that would have at least been a bit more in-line with Cantor's theorem. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Even in mathematics, infinity is never treated as a finite numerical designation. That said, while I understand the concept that Marvel was trying to apply in that comic, they used piss-poor verbiage to do so.

"a number greater than infinity"-- this is a laughably absurd choice of dialogue to use. Infinity is not a finite "number". They could have just said "infinity beyond infinity" or somesuch-- that would have at least been a bit more in-line with Cantor's theorem. /shrug

And each of them is bigger than all the possible finite numbers.

Originally posted by Galan007
Even in mathematics, infinity is never treated as a finite numerical designation. That said, while I understand the concept that Marvel was trying to apply in that comic, they used piss-poor verbiage to do so.

"a number greater than infinity"-- this is a laughably absurd choice of dialogue to use. Infinity is not a finite "number". They could have just said "infinity beyond infinity" or somesuch-- that would have at least been a bit more in-line with Cantor's theorem. /shrug

For the average non mathmetician, the usage of the term "number" was probably done for practicality.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Not sure what your problem is since transfinite numbers are called....well transfinite numbers.

And each of them is bigger than all the possible finite numbers.

Infinity isn't a finite number with a numerical designation. srsly

Originally posted by Galan007
Again, the quote used was: "a number greater than infinity."

Infinity isn't a finite number with a numerical designation. srsly

You're unnecessarily getting upset over Marvel's usage of semantics in a case where there is no need to be so.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
A transfinite number is technically infinite and it's still referred to as a "number". That much should have been evident in my previous post.

You're unnecessarily getting upset over Marvel's usage of semantics in a case where there is no need to be so.

Again: infinity is not a "number"-- infinity is a concept which, by definition, cannot end. Therefore, it cannot be quantified numerically(that's why we describe infinity with a symbol and not a number), which subsequently means that there are no "numbers" greater than infinity. If infinity could be given a numerical designation, then the concept of infinity would be defeated across the board.

The poor dialogue of that scene doesn't change the concept Marvel was going for, though. It's just kind of funny, is all. DC's done the same nonsensical crap too.

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol. I'm not "upset" about anything(for some reason calling people "upset" always seems to be your deflection of choice.) I am just pointing out the oxymoronic dialogue in a fictional scan. The point of Cantor's theorem isn't that infinity is a 'number' that can be quantified, nor is it a 'number' that ever comes to an end. The point is that one infinity can exist within another infinity-- both are infinite in nature, but one is seemingly more encompassing than the other.

Again: infinity is not a "number"-- infinity is a concept which, by definition, cannot end. Therefore, it cannot be quantified numerically(that's why we describe infinity with a symbol and not a number), which subsequently means that there are no "numbers" greater than infinity. If infinity could be given a numerical designation, then the concept of infinity would be defeated across the board.

The poor dialogue of that scene doesn't change the concept Marvel was going for, though. It's just kind of funny, is all. DC's done the same nonsensical crap too.

GALAN, CALM DOWN. 😛

J/K People telling me to calm down is highly annoying.

Originally posted by Mr Master

The Marvel Omniverse is simply all its universes.
So, ie. it is an infinite amount of universes just like in that Exiles scan
I posted many times before.
We know how to differentiate between "omniverse" and multiverse"
by paying attention to the context of the story.

Simple.

so what's the difference between exiles' omniverse and the normal multiverse, then?? because in exiles it's portrayed as being infinite universes and nothing more.

and the way i see it, exiles' omniverse is not that impressive, because:

1. it is only infinite universes (which is basically the same as a multiverse, or even less), stated and shown many times on panel.

2. it's...fragile, since we have a battle between the english and the french empires (of an alternate earth) threaten to destabilize a significant portion of the omniverse.....(the 2nd one is a recap)

http://i.imgur.com/aWDQswP.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pHLtVdP.jpg?1

and this alternate earth wasn't even mentioned to be a prime dimension.

Originally posted by operator616
so what's the difference between exiles' omniverse and the normal multiverse, then?? because in exiles it's portrayed as being infinite universes and nothing more.

and the way i see it, exiles' omniverse is not that impressive, because:

1. it is only infinite universes (which is basically the same as a multiverse, or even less), stated and shown many times on panel.

2. it's...fragile, since we have a battle between the english and the french empires (of an alternate earth) threaten to destabilize a significant portion of the omniverse.....(the 2nd one is a recap)

http://i.imgur.com/aWDQswP.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pHLtVdP.jpg?1

and this alternate earth wasn't even mentioned to be a prime dimension.

lol

👆

Originally posted by leonidas
@bran: and of course that is a large part of the problem. new terminology is constantly being thrown out there. someone gets a cool idea and a new name and suddenly no one knows what is what or where the bounds are. same has always been the case for universe/dimension/reality/world/cosmos etc.... marvel may put out definitions that they CLAIM are rigid and to be adhered to, butttt....... as anyone who reads comics will attest--those goalposts move ALL THE TIME. context and writer intent trumps terminology which is far far too flexible. stances really can't be built in the strength of terminology--at least not in many cases.

👆 Pretty much.
The terms universe/dimension and reality are extremely synonymous.

Originally posted by operator616
so what's the difference between exiles' omniverse and the normal multiverse, then?? because in exiles it's portrayed as being infinite universes and nothing more.

and the way i see it, exiles' omniverse is not that impressive, because:

1. it is only infinite universes (which is basically the same as a multiverse, or even less), stated and shown many times on panel.

2. it's...fragile, since we have a battle between the english and the french empires (of an alternate earth) threaten to destabilize a significant portion of the omniverse.....(the 2nd one is a recap)

http://i.imgur.com/aWDQswP.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pHLtVdP.jpg?1

and this alternate earth wasn't even mentioned to be a prime dimension.

Originally posted by operator616
it's...fragile, since we have a battle between the english and the french empires (of an alternate earth) threaten to destabilize a significant portion of the omniverse.....(the 2nd one is a recap)

http://i.imgur.com/aWDQswP.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pHLtVdP.jpg?1

and this alternate earth wasn't even mentioned to be a prime dimension.

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol. I'm not "upset" about anything(for some reason calling people "upset" always seems to be your deflection of choice.) I am just pointing out the oxymoronic dialogue in a fictional scan. The point of Cantor's theorem isn't that infinity is a 'number' that can be quantified, nor is it a 'number' that ever comes to an end. The point is that one infinity can exist within another infinity-- both are infinite in nature, but one is seemingly more encompassing than the other.

Again: infinity is not a "number"-- infinity is a concept which, by definition, cannot end. Therefore, it cannot be quantified numerically(that's why we describe infinity with a symbol and not a number), which subsequently means that there are no "numbers" greater than infinity. If infinity could be given a numerical designation, then the concept of infinity would be defeated across the board.

The poor dialogue of that scene doesn't change the concept Marvel was going for, though. It's just kind of funny, is all. DC's done the same nonsensical crap too.

That's absolute infinity, not a transfinite number. Seriously, just google the term transfinite number.

There isn't really anything wrong with the dialogue. Although I do expect you to skip my post, purposely ignore the highlighted "transfinite number" statements again, and end up repeating the same point ad nauseum.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

Except there isn't really anything oxymoronic in that instance. You can either chalk it up to Marvel trying to write in a manner which would make sense to a layperson, or you can go down the more logical road and and realize that transfinite numbers, which are technically "infinite", are referred to as "numbers". Hell, the scan ultimately concludes by mentioning that the "multiverse is a transfinite number". Cantor's Theorem explicitly designates these bigger and smaller infinities that you're talking about as transfinite numbers.

That's absolute infinity, not a transfinite number. Seriously, just google the term transfinite number.

There isn't really anything wrong with the dialogue. Although I do expect you to skip my post, purposely ignore the highlighted "transfinite number" statements again, and end up repeating the same point ad nauseum.