Thor vs Black adam

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Hood specifically powered up all his goons with the Norn Stones and it was brought up across different issues:

We even saw him being able to take away that power:

The lead up specifically said that they had to strike Thor with everything they had right away if they had any chance and that included the Sentry. And Sentry didn't just tackle Thor, we saw him punching him and shit from other angles. His job was to do his best to take out Thor. Just because it didn't destroy the planet their were on doesn't mean it's any less relevant.

facepalm Read Siege please, Thor was hit hard and fast by a coordinated assault and Thor needing some time to recover was a point. He went into battle anyway after Daken attacked him however.

Also, I didn't realize that ole Norman was an official member of the U-
foes. I didn't have the energy to argue and further, but you are correct, he took hits from Void Sentry and then got sucker blasted by a powered up U-Foes and their fifth member Norman Osborne. But it's MUCH more convenient to simply saw Thor lost to the U-Foes.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No, explain the purpose of your scans? Was it just to lowball or do you have an actual point to make?

Has before. As a matter of fact, it's returned on occasions when it's been completely separated from him.

This is a very silly argument to make. Comics constantly ignore powers for the sense of dramatic tension. If Thor gets hit with an energy blast instead of absorbing it, does that mean he no longer possesses energy absorption? If Superman does his best and can't outrun bullets, does this mean he's nowhere near light speed?

You can argue that Mjolnir didn't return to Thor's hand in that comic but declaring that it doesn't is like arguing Superman doesn't have any super speed because I post a panel of him getting hit.

The point of the scan was that if someone was so delusional that they actually didn't think Ulik's comment was hyperbole, and they have never actually seen the numerous scraps between Thor and Ulik, this would help their brain along. Apparently though, the scan which happened in the same book, same scene, a page later, is lowballing.

Thor's hammer doesn't return to his hand if dropped that is why there has been so many instances of it happening and even plot has been moved along by it. That is the norm. Also, my answer was accurate the scene called in question. If I went back and looked through Thor's appearances which which do the think I would find more of? Which came first? Which have lead to more "Oh Noes! Can Thor beat a tiger before he transforms"?

Of course I'm not going to go and do such a thing, obviously I'm just confident that I am right. So feel free to bullshit a response.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Exactly. Ulik is a pretty strong dude and despite being massively amped, he was beaten up by Thor.

Battle zone their feats then?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Hood specifically powered up all his goons with the Norn Stones and it was brought up across different issues:

We even saw him being able to take away that power:

The lead up specifically said that they had to strike Thor with everything they had right away if they had any chance and that included the Sentry. And Sentry didn't just tackle Thor, we saw him punching him and shit from other angles. His job was to do his best to take out Thor. Just because it didn't destroy the planet their were on doesn't mean it's any less relevant.

facepalm Read Siege please, Thor was hit hard and fast by a coordinated assault and Thor needing some time to recover was a point. He went into battle anyway after Daken attacked him however.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, that somehow negates U-foes losing to Cap and Fury

The same Cap who effortlessly beat a class 90 Rhino with a smile on his face? Cap factor at it's finest.

I really don't understand what was so impressive about Bladam thunderclapping Karen. She was blown away for a brief moment. She wasn't knocked out, she wasn't blasted far into the distance, she wasn't even hurt. How it's being described as Adam "wrecking" her is beyond me. She along with Alan were up the next page. This notion is straight dumb and quite lame...

Only thing sort of impressive was Bladam was about a third of his power when he did that. It's like saying any meta that momentarily lands a pretty ok blow on a herald is called owning. Just a flat out ridiculous notion.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Okay okay...

Kneeling....

Originally posted by Golgo13
I will kneel with you, so you won't be alone. 😛

😂

Originally posted by Badabing
These guys get it. 👆

😂

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Gassed..

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I really don't understand what was so impressive about Bladam thunderclapping Karen. She was blown away for a brief moment. She wasn't knocked out, she wasn't blasted far into the distance, she wasn't even hurt. How it's being described as Adam "wrecking" her is beyond me. She along with Alan were up the next page. This notion is straight dumb and quite lame...

Only thing sort of impressive was Bladam was about a third of his power when he did that. It's like saying any meta that momentarily lands a pretty ok blow on a herald is called owning. Just a flat out ridiculous notion.

More impressive, is Adam one shot KOing her and taking on the JSA in Black Reign.

And John's Power Girl was uber.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Hood specifically powered up all his goons with the Norn Stones and it was brought up across different issues:

We even saw him being able to take away that power:

The lead up specifically said that they had to strike Thor with everything they had right away if they had any chance and that included the Sentry. And Sentry didn't just tackle Thor, we saw him punching him and shit from other angles. His job was to do his best to take out Thor. Just because it didn't destroy the planet their were on doesn't mean it's any less relevant.

facepalm Read Siege please, Thor was hit hard and fast by a coordinated assault and Thor needing some time to recover was a point. He went into battle anyway after Daken attacked him however.

that is not an evidence that can prove the U FOES were powered up by same power during their battle with thor.
as we see when ever the goons are powered by the stones it is stated.
basically you show me different people being powered up at a different time by a specific power, and then you are trying to apply it to this argument? doesnt work that way.
show me the U foes being powered up by said power and during that fight.

again you are comming at me with this "thor was depowered excuse? you are basically claiming that just because sentry tackled thor it made thor weaker? again you with your speculations? was it stated thor was hurt from that tackle? no...
and if you believe that 1 tackle from sentry is enough to make thor weaker than thor is even weaker than i thought.

Lol she said they have to give everything they had but if you notice not everybody were attacking thor , then you see thor on his knees and normal punching him and everybody beat the crap out of him, after that thor is lying all bloody and beaten, only to have captain america and nick fury comming and beating all the U foes.... i think thor needs some training and a better durability.

Try to follow your own logic here.

You're trying to put Thor down by claiming he couldn't stand up to the U-Foes, but at the same time you're refusing the idea that he was hurt a bullrush from the Sentry 😐

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Alright, I'm not going to bother anymore with this debate except clarifying facts.

Adam specifically had the power of Isis added to that of his own gods in World War III. If anyone is able to, post a scan, too lazy to dl shit just to get it.

Tutinax was using innate mental fear powers while he fought Thor:

I'm not sure if that's the first we've ever heard of them but whatever. Thor was taking on a being with crippling fear powers on top of being incredibly powerful and was still holding his own. Characters have been rendered incapable of even fighting back in the past in similar situations.

Black Adam ripping the head off of an unnamed Amazo is cool, but not conclusive evidence of anything due to the fluctuating nature of the robot but whatever, Thor's hurt everyone from Galactus to Surtur to Odin to an Eternity level Demorgorge. He one shot killed Angrir, a massively amped Ulik, tear through a resurrected Skurge etc. Just recently he went toe to toe with Angrir/Nul which shits on fighting Superman until he gets serious. We also saw him take on Hela with the Twilight Sword, Glory, a Surtur capable of destroying the Multiverse which is even more impressive.

All feats far more impressive then anything Adam has done, and all within recent years. 👆

adam was not powered by isis during WW3, he asked her to transform after WW3, during the WW3 events he was just a pissed adam thats all.
if you believe black adam was amped by any means during WW3 present the evidence to that.

i dont get it why were you trying to prove here? those scans clearly show us that thor was not effected by his powers.
tutinax clearly states that his powers work that way that his enemies are in fear of him and being helpless, it was clearly not the case with thor and thor even stated that he doesnt fear him, therefor the powers didnt work.
fear powers cannot work at 50% or 30%, they either work or not, thor is either was scared or wasnt scared, and the answer is thor wasnt scared.
therefor there was no effect on thor from those so called fear powers.
but of course you love your "thor is depowered" argument so much...

i also would like to see an evidence tutinax actually has some powers that make his enemies fear him, because as far as we can know from this scan, he could have not refer to any specific powers, but just point out that he is overall so frightening and looks scary that his enemies are scared to fight him thats all.

unnamed amazo? look who is lowballing Lol.
adam ripping off the head of amazo with the GL ring ... come on we both know if thor had such showing you would make a huge poster out of it and hang it on your wall above the bed.

thor hurted galactus? PIS.
hurted odin? when? you mean when he hits his father and odin falls on his bum bum? and after that treats thor like a step child?
on top of those there are 100000 showings where guys like hulk leave him in blood to gurgle

a massive amped ulik? it was never established to what degree he was amped.

he got owned by the phoenix 5 individually.
rulk and thing caused more damage and did better than him.
gladiator did better than him.
Nul? ARE YOU JOKING ME? Nul was a complete loser average hulk is more powerful than nul.
Lol at Nul being more impressive than superman.

really? as i said all i got to do is just show black adam wrecking teams of heralds and the JSA and its > thor showings.

besides that we are talking about thor vs black adam in a physical confrontation, why do you bring his overall fights? that only means you agree with me that physically black adam dominates thor, and now you passed into another battlefield of thor using all his powers vs adam, thats fine i still believe adam to win but that only proves you already know in a physical fight thor is going down hard.

Originally posted by curryman
Try to follow your own logic here.

You're trying to put Thor down by claiming he couldn't stand up to the U-Foes, but at the same time you're refusing the idea that he was hurt a bullrush from the Sentry 😐

because a tackle from sentry is > the combined force of most U foes right?

beside that it took the u foes some time to beat up thor but it happened, the overall damage they inflicted on him is >> a simple tackle from sentry get real.

The U-Foes were powered up against Volstagg.

Would be weird if they weren't against Thor.

Originally posted by wolverinos
because a tackle from sentry is > the combined force of most U foes right?

beside that it took the u foes some time to beat up thor but it happened, the overall damage they inflicted on him is >> a simple tackle from sentry get real.

Where did I imply that their combined power-output was less than a tackle from the Sentry?

But someone who gets taken down from their attack would certainly feel an attack from the Sentry. Especially considering how Bendis considered Thor generally seemed to put Sentry above Thor...

Originally posted by curryman
The U-Foes were powered up against Volstagg.

Would be weird if they weren't against Thor.

Where did I imply that their combined power-output was less than a tackle from the Sentry?

But someone who gets taken down from their attack would certainly feel an attack from the Sentry. Especially considering how Bendis considered Thor generally seemed to put Sentry above Thor...

show me an evidence showing the U FOES during the fight vs thor being powered up by volstagg.

you were trying to imply that if the u foes can take thor down a tackle from sentry should hurt him to the point he was weaken while facing the u foes, therefor you were making the assumption a simple tackle from sentry = or close to that combined attack that took some time and was replaced with a good beating afterwards.

of course thor felt the attack from sentry, and it hurt.
however after bfring sentry and facing the u foes thor was not hurt or depowered, the tackle did hurt however didnt leave thor in some injured situation, it would have been noted, and if it wasnt noted you cannot pull things out on your own.

Generally I'd go with Black Adam, but since Thor is pretty powerful nowdays. It's a different question. DC heroes and villians used to be overpowered in feat compared to Marvel counterparts. If we go with most recent incarnations I'd have to say Thor.

Originally posted by wolverinos
show me an evidence showing the U FOES during the fight vs thor being powered up by volstagg.

Originally posted by wolverinos
you were trying to imply that if the u foes can take thor down a tackle from sentry should hurt him to the point he was weaken while facing the u foes, therefor you were making the assumption a simple tackle from sentry = or close to that combined attack that took some time and was replaced with a good beating afterwards.

It means that I think Sentry did enough damage so that their attack could take him down. It doesn't say anything about how powerful I think Sentry's attack was, it only implies that I don't think the U-Foes could take him down at full power, which I don't.

Originally posted by wolverinos
of course thor felt the attack from sentry, and it hurt.
however after bfring sentry and facing the u foes thor was not hurt or depowered, the tackle did hurt however didnt leave thor in some injured situation, it would have been noted, and if it wasnt noted you cannot pull things out on your own.

If it hurt it affected him.

Even if he did recover instantly it still put Thor in the position where they could attack him full-on without him retaliating.

Originally posted by curryman
Powered up by Volstagg? Do you mean against?

Thinking that Sentry's attack would weaken him sufficiently for them to take him out does not mean I consider the attacks equal 😐

It means that I think Sentry did enough damage so that their attack could take him down. It doesn't say anything about how powerful I think Sentry's attack was, it only implies that I don't think the U-Foes could take him down at full power, which I don't.

Who said anything about being depowered?

If it hurt it affected him.

Even if he did recover instantly it still put Thor in the position where they could attack him full-on without him retaliating.

you said they were powered up, present that evidence.

as you said yourself, if i do believe they took him out i should believe sentry was able to hurt him with that tackle to the point thor was injured after that tackle.
which means in your opinion that tackle is close to their attacks released on thor.

and you base your opinion on? does it make any sense a simple tackle from sentry will leave thor injured? it was never showed nor was it stated that attack left any effect on thor for future.
therefor what is your opinion based on? you being MAD?

so basically you are saying when facing the u foes he wasnt full power because sentry tackled him before? and you base that on what fact again?

Lol lets use some reading comprehension, if you are saying thor was not at full power when facing the u foes that means his overall powers were not at full operation, which means at that point you claim he was depowered and not at his best.

it did effect him however it did not left him in some injury that could effect his future performance.
if you do believe he was injured after the tackle provide the evidence.

Originally posted by wolverinos
you said they were powered up, present that evidence.

The evidence that the Hood powered up his people?...

Check the siege intro where they fight Volstagg and Thor 607...

Originally posted by wolverinos
as you said yourself, if i do believe they took him out i should believe sentry was able to hurt him with that tackle to the point thor was injured after that tackle.
which means in your opinion that tackle is close to their attacks released on thor.

Thor has 1000 HP and needs to lose 800 to go down.

Sentry deals 50 damage.

U-Foes deal 750 damage.

Their attack would not have taken down Thor without Sentry attacking first.

I also think I'll be the one determining what I think and believe, but thank you for your input.

Originally posted by wolverinos
and you base your opinion on? does it make any sense a simple tackle from sentry will leave thor injured? it was never showed nor was it stated that attack left any effect on thor for future. therefor what is your opinion based on? you being MAD? [

It set him up for the attack from U-Foes/Osborn/lil.

Originally posted by wolverinos
so basically you are saying when facing the u foes he wasnt full power because sentry tackled him before? and you base that on what fact again?

Originally posted by wolverinos
Lol lets use some reading comprehension, if you are saying thor was not at full power when facing the u foes that means his overall powers were not at full operation, which means at that point you claim he was depowered and not at his best.

It's not the same as being hurt/set up for an attack.

Originally posted by wolverinos
it did effect him however it did not left him in some injury that could effect his future performance.
if you do believe he was injured after the tackle provide the evidence.

You basically repeated your one post 5 times over here...
If you want me to reply again, quote my post properly like I'm doing here. It's not hard.