Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, that's a fight. Tony warned Ulik and then took him out with a single repulsor blast.Why would I need to?
Oh yeah that's right. Ure the same guy who thinks when someone gets hit and doesn't show up for a few pages, it's a one-shot ko.
Anyways, it was Thor who comes flying in and KO's Ulik right after he got up from Tony's attack.
What you posted can't even be considered an actual fight with IM and Ulik.
Did you even read that mini?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
U kidding me?Oh yeah that's right. Ure the same guy who thinks when someone gets hit and doesn't show up for a few pages, it's a one-shot ko.
Anyways, it was Thor who comes flying in and KO's Ulik right after he got up from Tony's attack.
What you posted can't even be considered an actual fight with IM and Ulik.
Did you even read that mini?
That was an amped Ulik beyond measure too. Why can't it be considered a fight between Tony and Ulik? Because you said so?
Originally posted by abhilegend
That only shows just how weak Ulik is. Iron man beat that amped Ulik too.
Except that Ulik is not weak. He is class 90 before amping. Calling an amped version of him weak doesn't make any sense, you know.
Just like the U-Foes are not weak to begin with, and they were definitely amped.
Also, you want to downplay the dive bomb attack by Sentry, who was basically amped as a quasi Void version of himself. Those same dive bomb attacks are what fell Asgard.
Just like Ulik was amped against the earlier mentioned fight with Thor.
Back to Thor vs "The U-Foes" according to you,
http://ignorant-bliss.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Thor-getting-chin-checked-by-normie-585x143.jpg
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Except that Ulik is not weak. He is class 90 before amping. Calling an amped version of him weak doesn't make any sense, you know.Just like the U-Foes are not weak to begin with, and they were definitely amped.
Also, you want to downplay the dive bomb attack by Sentry, who was basically amped as a quasi Void version of himself. Those same dive bomb attacks are what fell Asgard.
Just like Ulik was amped against the earlier mentioned fight with Thor.
Back to Thor vs "The U-Foes" according to you,
http://ignorant-bliss.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Thor-getting-chin-checked-by-normie-585x143.jpg
Sorry, the edit time expired. I was saying, you keep talking about his performance against the U-Foes, only it was not just the U-Foes. It was Sentry moments before, then it was the U-Foes PLUS Norman Osborn in the Iron Patriot armor, plus the Nord Stones amping. And there wasn't a fight, they hit Thor when he was down and they did with everything they had. "Hit him with everything full throttle. Don't let him get up."
This is the real story of what happened. Notice the explosion caused by the full EP blasts of the four villains. Also notice that one of the fists is the armored fist of Norman. And for good measure, Norman gave him this at the end.
All in all, this is not much of a low showing when given all the facts, in context. That's a charged hit on a worn out opponent by a meta human in class 100 armor. Truth in reporting is sort of important. Oh, and one more thing. If you noticed, Thor removed Sentry.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Except that Ulik is not weak. He is class 90 before amping. Calling an amped version of him weak doesn't make any sense, you know.Just like the U-Foes are not weak to begin with, and they were definitely amped.
Also, you want to downplay the dive bomb attack by Sentry, who was basically amped as a quasi Void version of himself. Those same dive bomb attacks are what fell Asgard.
Just like Ulik was amped against the earlier mentioned fight with Thor.
Back to Thor vs "The U-Foes" according to you,
http://ignorant-bliss.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Thor-getting-chin-checked-by-normie-585x143.jpg
I didn't brought up U-Foes so I don't know why you're showing that in response to me. Frankly there are much worse showings for Thor than being knocked out by U-Foes. One more thing, Iron patriot wasn't a class 100 armor and charged fists don't mean much.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Class 90 isn't much to begin with here. His amp wasn't great if Tony dropped him with one attack.I didn't brought up U-Foes so I don't know why you're showing that in response to me. Frankly there are much worse showings for Thor than being knocked out by U-Foes. One more thing, Iron patriot wasn't a class 100 armor and charged fists don't mean much.
Why would it not be class 100 armor? Armors from decades ago were class 100 and Ironman it listed as a class 100 superhero, so where are you getting this stuff from?
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Why would it not be class 100 armor? Armors from decades ago were class 100 and Ironman it listed as a class 100 superhero, so where are you getting this stuff from?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Do you know what a class 100 in marvel system means? Its not a measure of lifting strength. Thor is a class 100, hercules is a class 100, hulk is a class 100 on average. Iron man's armors are at best 85-90 tons strength level, the same as Thing and She-hulk. Iron patriot was even weaker in power.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Do you know what a class 100 in marvel system means? Its not a measure of lifting strength. Thor is a class 100, hercules is a class 100, hulk is a class 100 on average. Iron man's armors are at best 85-90 tons strength level, the same as Thing and She-hulk. Iron patriot was even weaker in power.
Do me a favor. Stop asking me insulting questions. I know more about Marvel than you do. I have the damn three view Marvel characters cards from Marvel Universe from when I was a kid three decades ago, probably when you weren't even thought of.
It's class 100 strength nonetheless like I said. The fact is the class system, which by the way isn't even used anymore, was GREATLY understated, not overstated. Perhaps you still think that a normal Hulk really only starts off being able to bench 90 tons, or that Namor can't lift a ship being he can only lift 75 tons, or that Spiderman never lifted much of a train because he can only max 10 tons max.
Anyway, that was a punch from a class 100 armor with a class 10 meta human inside of it. The point is, it was a hard charged punch after taking a a point blank range barrage of EP blasts, which occured after fighting off an attack by an amped Sentry. It's not much of a low showing and it was also part of a greater story line. Thor doesn't save the day 100% of the time in Marvel, but at any given time, he could be written as such and no one would question it. Again, vs an amped up, cold hearted Thing and Hulk, he won. Same Thor. He also f*cked Galactus up recently. Same Thor. Stop arguing from the low end and you'll be fine.
Originally posted by Blue Area VetDoubt it when you say that Iron man is class 100.
Do me a favor. Stop asking me insulting questions. I know more about Marvel than you do.
I have the damn three view Marvel characters cards from Marvel Universe from when I was a kid three decades ago, probably when you weren't even thought of.Congratulations are in order I guess.
It's class 100 strength nonetheless like I said. The fact is the class system, which by the way isn't even used anymore, was GREATLY understated, not overstated.Its used even today.
Perhaps you still think that a normal Hulk really only starts off being able to bench 90 tons, or that Namor can't lift a ship being he can only lift 75 tons, or that Spiderman never lifted much of a train because he can only max 10 tons max.Its not about lifting feats in the first place. If you think the system is built upon lifting feats, you know nothing about how it works.
Anyway, that was a punch from a class 100 armor with a class 10 meta human inside of it.That armor wasn't a class 100. By the ranking you are giving Thor would be class 1 billion and that blow wouldn't even get his attention.
The point is, it was a hard charged punch after taking a a point blank range barrage of EP blasts, which occured after fighting off an attack by an amped Sentry.Amped sentry? Lulz.
It's not much of a low showing and it was also part of a greater story line. Thor doesn't save the day 100% of the time in Marvel, but at any given time, he could be written as such and no one would question it. Again, vs an amped up, cold hearted Thing and Hulk, he won. Same Thor. He also f*cked Galactus up recently. Same Thor. Stop arguing from the low end and you'll be fine.Who's arguing for low feats? Do you see me arguing about Rachel summers dropping thor or some random lasers knocking him out? Or spider man knocking him out? Yeah, that happened too.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Why is Thor's showings with the UFoes being brought forward here? Missed the last few pages (and from the looks of it, thankfully). Is it being used as some form of representation of a low showing for Thor or something? Too lazy to read the last few clusterfudge pages.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't know about it too. Thor has MUCH worse showings than getting knocked out by U-Foes.
That IS true, so I don't get why people are getting so bent out of shape about it. Long-time established chars get bad showings all the time. The UFoes one wasn't really one of worst of them, tho.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I just posted a scan pointing out that Hood's goons were not only powered up during Siege, but before it. Not every scene has the entire gang in it but it doesn't really matter. And if there was any doubt that the U-Foes were part of his gang:Also another mention of the Norn Stone power-up:
I'm not saying Thor was depowered. I'm said the combined assault from Osborn's group weakened him to a point. And yes, if Sentry charges at Thor with everything he has, it will most definitely weaken him. Sentry's an elite Top Tier easy. 😐
What? Everyone on that field blasted Thor:
Not even going to be bother responding to such gibberish. Read Siege, everyone on the field blasted Thor and the entire assault gave him a bloody nose.
again where is the statement even the U foes were powered by them?
and even if so where is the proof they were powered at that specific period they were fighting thor? you said yourself the power up got interrupted.
it was never stated that while fighting thor the u foes were powered, nor did it stop from Cap and nick to kick their ass.
i think if they were powered nick and cap wouldnt be able to do what they did in such a fashion, and dont give me the PIS excuse thats just lame.
depowered means not at full power, if you are implying thor was not at full power while facing the U foes that means depowered.
so basically you believe that a tackle from sentry is enough to injure thor in such a manner? then how crappy must his durability be?
but as i said before there is no statement or mention of thor being injured after that tackle which means you bring up speculations.
i dont have to prove anything you are the one who is suppose to prove the negative, if you believe thor was injured when facing the u foes please present that evidence, speculating that was the situation just because he was tackled is not enough.
what? please look at the fight again.
some of the members were blasting him then he fell to his knees, it was visible and clear not everybody attacked him, then iron patriot walks up to him and just punch him, then the u foes proceed to rape thor, after that you see thor lying all bloody and holding his hand in the air like some seizure attack, even his hand was covered with blood.
i would say they made much more than make his nose bleed he looked like a rape victim.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He had the power of seven Gods during World War III, not just the usual six as Isis was added to his might. Further confirmed by Mary when she had his power.
What? Tutinax points out his powers specifically because they are effecting Thor. That's why he says, it's not a fair fight.
Actually I wouldn't. We saw Thor no-selling an Amazo with a Green Lantern Ring, Despero etc. during JLA/Avengers when he tosses Superman the hammer and I never bring it up. Also, yes, he hurt Odin.
You don't get to call high end showings PIS and bring up Black Adam scattering the JSA. Anyways Thor's hurt everyone from Galactus to Surtur to Odin to an Eternity level Demorgorge. He one shot killed Angrir, a massively amped Ulik, tear through a resurrected Skurge etc. Just recently he went toe to toe with Angrir/Nul which shits on fighting Superman until he gets serious. We also saw him take on Hela with the Twilight Sword, Glory a pantheon of Skyfathers, a Surtur capable of destroying the Multiverse which is even more impressive etc. all within the last few years. Taking on the JSA is nothing compared to that.
Black Adam was at a disadvantage against Captain Nazi. Hawkman with a Green Lantern mace was beating up on him etc. I can dig and come up with plenty of bullshit to lowball.
again, during WW3 black adam was not powered up by Isis, after WW3 he asked her to tranfrom because he was weak after the events, until then he was not powered up by her, reread the arc.
Tutinax said its not a fair fight because he was arrogant and was implying he is so superior to thor its just not fair.
aside of that Tutinax mention his powers and thor reply that he isnt scared, there was not any mention of his powers effecting thor, thor himself stated tutinax powers didnt work on him.
powers such as fear do not work partly, they are either work and make you frighten or they dont.
thor stated it didnt work on him therefor again you are speculating things to suit your "thor wasnt at full power" lovely arguments.
what? thor no selling amazo and despero? what the hell are you talking about?
you really bring the crossover to defend thor? because you know... if we use the crossover then it dials up to 11 you know... doesnt work very well for thor.
he did not hurt odin, just took him off balance and made him trip, after that he was spanked like a step child.
as i said again, thors high end showings are 1%, adams are much more common and does not contredict his majority .
i already addressed those points, hurting galactus with his hammer is PIS since there are occasions where galactus tanked a hit from thor like nothing, another thing is odin while being amped got knocked out by bumping into galactus, and thor did what his amped daddy couldnt? if you are going to use that PIS event then thor >> amped odin? really?
Lol at Nul shits on superman, Nul is one of the weakest incarnations hulk has to offer, everybody were able to hurt him and kinda humiliate him, Nul is actually weaker than your average savage hulk.
and as i said before the examples you brought are preety much all his massive accomplishements thruought the most of his career for dozens of years.
those events are 1% of his overall performance where he daily gets put down to eat dust by much weaker opponents than the ones you mentioned.
black adam not only defeated JSA but he is constantly portrayed in such a manner.
he got some not very good showings here and there, but even his lesser showings are not drastically taking him down like the case with thor.
black adam matching an angry superman, matching captain marvel and getter sometimes upper hand, beating the JSA, beating martial manhunter, dispatching power girl with easy, tearing off the head of amazo with the GL ring, flying thru spectre and destroying him ( a weaker incarnation but still very impressive), ripping off hawkgirls wings.
basically black adam is much more stacked as an overall guy who beats up heralds.
thor on the other hand while having some very few feats of going higher than high herald, clearly has by far most showing that portray him as someone who has to use his powers wisely if he is even intending to beat up a mid - high herald.
