Who is the most powerful Low Herald of all? Magneto vs Jack of Hearts...

Two of the most powerful (maybe THE two most powerful) Low Heralds battle to the Death or KO with no BFR allowed to see who's the greatest of the Low Herald Tier...

Battle in a relatively neutral area; a small country town with normal metals present, but not a huge amount; a small power plant (non nuclear; burns coal) is the technologically most advanced thing within 200 miles...

Who wins?

Hate to go outside the OP, but Dr. Doom is currently listed as low herald, which is absolutely criminal imo. I have no idea how he isn't mid. But if we go by the tiers thread in this forum, there's your answer, not these two jokers.

Awesome Havok sig Digimaestro......

Originally posted by Estacado
Awesome Havok sig Digimaestro......

Thanks dude. My first in a while, so I was happy with how it turned out.

😊

Magneto wins since he is a high Herald and like the Sig Digi.

Originally posted by Digi
Hate to go outside the OP, but Dr. Doom is currently listed as low herald, which is absolutely criminal imo. I have no idea how he isn't mid. But if we go by the tiers thread in this forum, there's your answer, not these two jokers.

By all means, I'd love to see a scan of Doom matching (let alone exceeding) the raw power output of either of these guys sans prep and under his own power...

Originally posted by carver9
Magneto wins since he is a high Herald and like the Sig Digi.

Sure...

He is a High Herald that would be bested by a large majority of the Mid Herald Tier...

Would you like me to ressurect that post so we can debate Mags vs the various Mid Heralds featured in that thread?

Originally posted by Digi
Thanks dude. My first in a while, so I was happy with how it turned out.

😊

@Digi

In the following comic, Jack of Hearts recharged a dying star under his own power; Doom cant do anything close to this under his own power...

lmao, these two jokes?

I see Loki, Cassandra Nova, Makkari, Mr.M, Ronan, Isis, Graviton, Manchester Black, MEGGAN, Nimrod, Ravenous, Ultron and several others that I would put well above Magneto, Doom or Jack of Hearts.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Sure...

He is a High Herald that would be bested by a large majority of the Mid Herald Tier...

Would you like me to ressurect that post so we can debate Mags vs the various Mid Heralds featured in that thread?

Lol...there are some mid Heralds that could best High Heralds. Then, some people that YOU think are Mid Herald (like Black Adam, Captain Marvel, etc...) are high Heralds. Magneto wins this buddy.

I think it's been fairly well-established that Mags could easily be in mid herald, but that he's not out of place at low (he's just at or near the top of the tier), and he's definitely not HH.

Didn't know about the JoH sun-charging thing. He normally doesn't seem that uber.

Originally posted by Estacado
It is great!
Now revamp the Havok respect thread...uhuh

Most of the scans actually still work. It's a lot better off than most. But I'm just using him in the tourney...I don't have much in my own collection that wouldn't be covered in the respect thread.

Originally posted by carver9
Magneto wins since he is a high Herald and like the Sig Digi.

Thanks. 👆

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
By all means, I'd love to see a scan of Doom matching (let alone exceeding) the raw power output of either of these guys sans prep and under his own power...

Raw power isn't the only gauge I'm using here. The tiers are about all forms of power and capabilities, not just raw output. That said, the tiers are sans prep, so it does hurt Doom somewhat here. I still think he's pushing the tier limit as much as these two. His mix of technological and mystical powers, added to his best showings against a variety of top heralds, and it's a compelling case.

At the very least, if you turned this into a 3-way match, I think he'd have to be the other one in the discussion.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...there are some mid Heralds that could best High Heralds. Then, some people that YOU think are Mid Herald (like Black Adam, Captain Marvel, etc...) are high Heralds. Magneto wins this buddy.

Ummm...I dont "think" they are Mid Heralds; KMC does as per the tierings here (which I specifically stated in the thread we are talking about)...you really should think about what you say before speaking! 💃

Pray tell; how does Mags beat Jack of Hearts?

Yeah but the last scan was like Havok vs Vulcan which happened like 4 years ago

Just can't get past how badly Thor trashes Doom.

Not to mention that these two guys are SORELY lacking outside of the VS-category. And the entire point of the HH category, from what I understood, are that they're a group who generally push into Trans when performing at the top of their ability.

Magneto in such a category, just no.

Originally posted by curryman
lmao, these two jokes?

I see Loki, Cassandra Nova, Makkari, Mr.M, Ronan, Isis, Graviton, Manchester Black, [b]MEGGAN, Nimrod, Ravenous, Ultron and several others that I would put well above Magneto, Doom or Jack of Hearts. [/B]

Ok...

Jack of Hearts has the star recharging feat along with a good showing against Depowered Tyrant...

What do the others have to compare?

Originally posted by Estacado
Yeah but the last scan was like Havok vs Vulcan which happened like 4 years ago

True enough.

Originally posted by curryman
lmao, these two jokes?

I see Loki, Cassandra Nova, Makkari, Mr.M, Ronan, Isis, Graviton, Manchester Black, [b]MEGGAN, Nimrod, Ravenous, Ultron and several others that I would put well above Magneto, Doom or Jack of Hearts. [/B]

At least with Loki, it's his Ultimate version iirc. Not sure what Graviton is doing there though. You may be right on a few of these.

{edit} yeah, 616 Loki is in mid herald, as he should be.

@Digi

I agree with you that, taken as a whole (even sans prep), Doom is a beast...

But without prep (even at his best sans prep) I fail to see him being as powerful as these two at their best sans prep...

Originally posted by Digi
True enough.

At least with Loki, it's his Ultimate version iirc. Not sure what Graviton is doing there though. You may be right on a few of these.

{edit} yeah, 616 Loki is in mid herald, as he should be.

Theoretically Graviton is an absolute beast, but even at his best, he doesnt have the same level of feats under his belt that JoH does...

Inaddition, Gravitons intellectual level reduces his potential by quite a bit...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Ok...

Jack of Hearts has the star recharging feat along with a good showing against Depowered Tyrant...

What does the others have to compare?

Originally posted by Digi

At least with Loki, it's his Ultimate version iirc. Not sure what Graviton is doing there though. You may be right on a few of these.

{edit} yeah, 616 Loki is in mid herald, as he should be.

Ah yeah, good to see Loki in mid.

Cassandra Nova virtually tore apart the shi'ar guard AND the x-men. Not to mention that she had far more going for her than simple telepathy. She beat effortlessly beat Xavier w/cerebra, and they're the same category.

Ravenous (With the opposing force) was doing well against Surfer, handling Skrull like it was nothing and beating Ronan for the 2nd time up until Ronan sacrificed his hammer in that awesome move.

Nimrod, long history of dealing with high-metas/destroying Juggernaut.

Ultron, does way better against Thor+Avengers than Magneto or Doom wishes they could.

Fugging Makkari would tear these two apart.

And so on.

The only thing Doom and Magneto have going for them is popularity, which gives them a couple of good showings, yet I don't see how they'd ever compete on the level of Surfer, Superman, Thor outside some highly dubious VS showings. These guys are continental at best and they're moving into a domain filled with people who literally can tear planets apart with their hands.