General Zod Invasion Force vs Marvel Earth

Originally posted by FrothByte
Why would they split up first and stop the world engines before taking out the kryptonians? THat would make them dumb. You're acting like the marvel team just stands there and allows the kryptonians to hit them. Many on the Marvel team can fly, kryptonians will have a hard time hitting them then. What you are trying to do, my friend, is make the Marvel team fight stupidly. I'm not trying to make them fight out of character, I'm just trying to make them fight not stupidly, as you're trying to do. You seem to think all of the Marvel team will simply try to brawl. The Marvel team has other options, and everytime I mention these other options you end up resorting to "that's out of character". Thor already has proven that he can use a whirlwind to keep a character off the ground as he finishes him off. Jean already showed that she can levitate characters while she finishes them off (Prof. X). Yet when I cite these same examples you just say "it's out of character".

OP states that they are to take out both the World Engine and the ship in the city. It's obvious they would split up to achieve 2 goals at once. To beat them they would have to focus on the these two targets imo. Unless you believe most of the Marvel team will have no problem fighting in crushing conditions and posionous air. I highly doubt Jean will be able to focus on lifting up all of these guys while shes choking and being crushed.

Nobody on the Marvel team just stays in the air away from their opponents and spams attacks while dodging all day like you want them to. Period. Thor used that attack on the one villian he had intimate knowledge on and knew he had to. Any other time he tests his opponents mettle and would do so here.

Jean lifted one guy up in a reletively calm situation compared to this. You seem to think this equals "lifting multiple super fast attacking people coming from all directions" and i'm telling you it doesn't. Sorry that it hurts your stance but facts are facts.

I'm not having them fight stupidly, i'm having them fight as they normally fight. Thor wouldn't be whipping up cyclones anyway since his allies will be present anyway. Lightning sure, but not that one

Just saw your edit:

Originally posted by FrothByte
It can't be out of character because they've already done them before.

If Clark wasn't knocked out by the falling rig, then what was he doing floating in the sea with eyes closed for a long time? Sun bathing?

You can claim that the kryptonians can deliver punches stronger than Hulk, but you don't really have proof of that. Thor has not been knocked out, ever. We don't even see him get knocked out by his fall. So you assuming that he'll get knocked out by a punch from Faora is simply assumption.

It can be in a totally different situation. Like Superman snapped a neck, your logic is now he will do this at any moment simply cuz he did it once in one specific instance. I call BS

A man can't rest? Think? Reminisce?

He feared hitting the ground. Clearly that fall would have injured if not killed him. I'm not saying "a punch" would do it but several would. You claiming "we never saw him knocked out so he can't be knocked out" is called a no limits fallacy.

As long as we go by movie versions, we have:

KRYPTONIANS:

In suit of armor, the kryptonians superpowers gets unlocked slowly, cause a kryptonian's physiology needs both to be in contact with an earth-like enviroment and the yellow sun radiation to unlock the full array of physical and non-physical superpowers they possess. In suit of armor, they show mainly physical powers, see, superhuman strength, speed, reflexes, agility, durability, stamina. I've heard people sayin' kryptonians do not possess superhuman reaction times and reflexes. That couldn't be more wrong. How can a being who is moving at subsonic ground speed and hypersonic air speed manouver himself without his brain being able to process visual information at an enhanced rate and his body being able to perform feets at a matching speed?That would just cause them to crash into solid objects or being unable to move themselves once they start moving at superhuman speeds. Now back to the powers, Krypton had a higher gravity than Earth, so on Earth the kryptonian's bodies already possess superhuman physical attribute, cause their bodies are denser, thicker, and used to a far stronger gravity. The suits shield them from the enviroment but not from the yellow sun radiations, thus they slowly absorb them, compared to Kal-El who has been bathing in them 33 years and has energy reserves who outclass any of them. We see this when he decided to cut loose in the fight, he knocked out Nam-Ek for a while and same to Faora, he simply didn't cut loose cause he didn't knew how strong he was and if he went too strong on them he could've killed them, see when he killed Zod, he snapped his neck but first he was trying to choke him, restrain him somehow, he knew he could've probably killed him from the get go with enough force, even blunt force probably (a strong punch to the head with massive strength would probably cause enough brain damage to go for the kill).

Now, none of this Marvel Team, neither the Avengers from the movie can kill a kryptonian, they could manage to slow them down and maybe take down one with prep time and exploiting the sensory overload weakness, other than that, there ain't nothin' they can do. During their battles in MOS, Zod and Superman were causin' shockwaves just by punching each other, shockwaves that shook the ground and moved cars and crushed buildings and streets. Damn, when Superman snapped Zod's neck, even that move caused a massive shockwave. The raw power in terms of physical strength they possess is ridiculous. Durability wise, Superman survived enhanced gravity beam from the world engine, it didn't even make him bleed. No earth-made weaponry from shield is hurting them. Maybe if the SHIELD manage to equip let's say a 1000 soldiers with that special rifle used by Coulson, yeah that could be an annoyance, if they get time to actually aim and shoot, which is unlikely. Iron Man's armor is no big deal, Thor was casually crushing it bare hands, without even tryin', a punch from Namek would give Tony a stroke and turn his armor into a greasy smear. Thor, movie wise, is far weaker than his comic book counterpart or Avengers EMH Cartoon version. He hasn't showed enough physical strength to be a threat to a kryptonian nor the durability, he might be the last man standing but that's it. Heck I don't even see him surviving a blast from full force heat vision, or anyway it will hurt him for sure. Heat vision blasted through Kryptonian's ships like a knife through butter, SHIELD'S Helicarriers would go down for good.

OK honestly the man of steel kryptonians are vastly overrated !!
Here I'm going to make a plan for marvel team to defeat General Zod and his buddies.

First they need to be divided into 3 teams:

1.Brain team: Tony and Dr Doom., They have to make the plans for team.
2.Assault team : weapon XI , Hulk and Magneto
3.Defend team: Thor and Jean Grey ( because of their exotic powers)
Tony has to use as many as armors he has to occupy the enemies.
Dr doom should study the kryptonians and find their weaknesses!! (No their only weakness is not just krypton, in the world of science things get way more complicated. ) but even if that doesn't work there is a plan B and it evolves the Defend team.
They should gather all of them in one place with the help of Assault team then Thor should make a big Tornado and strike them with the biggest of lightnings because lightnings can be forceful and if they hit with enough force they can destroy anything, for increasing their force brain team can help Thor (conditions have a big effect on lightnings) , Jean grey also will use her powers to destroy the Kryptonians and i'm 100% sure it will effect them if it doesn't kill them but she has to stay away from them which assault team will help her in that.

There you have it Marvel team defeated tho psychopaths.

Weapon XI and Magneto get their heads ripped off, Hulk and Thor are too slow and take a beating, Jean Grey couldn't even kill Wolverine, Extremists were cutting through Tony's armors with ease, Doom's not really strong enough to fight on even footing with Superman level opponents.

So yeah, team Krypton wins.

Thing is, all of Zod's team have a weakness in their helmet. If the Marvel team can damage their helms then they are weakened and easy to knock out. Same is true for Zod depending on which Zod we're talking about. If this is Zod before he's had a quiet time to force himself to adjust to Earth's atmosphere (which he shouldn't have done without meeting Kal-el anyway) then he's susceptible to the same weakness.

Not saying Team Marvel wins, but the Kryptonians sure ain't as invincible as everyone's making them out to be.

Kryptonians stomps hard here.

I think marvel fanboys should complain to marvel studios instead of giving the most ridiculous arguments, the live action version of marvel characters were pathetic so far. marvel studios should care about good action scenes for their character instead churning out comedies with mild or mediocre action.

The Battle of New York ( their only good showing and even there they got almost they asses kicked) were against a bunch of nobodies, truly one of the most patethic aliens invasion ive watched in cinema compared to the even independence day, pacific rim or the kriptonian invasion

Funny thing, I think the Fox marvel movies have much better action scenes or showing for their characters

Marvel Earth is phucked

Originally posted by TH3_V01D
Kryptonians stomps hard here.

I think marvel fanboys should complain to marvel studios instead of giving the most ridiculous arguments, the live action version of marvel characters were pathetic so far. marvel studios should care about good action scenes for their character instead churning out comedies with mild or mediocre action.

The Battle of New York ( their only good showing and even there they got almost they asses kicked) were against a bunch of nobodies, truly one of the most patethic aliens invasion ive watched in cinema compared to the even independence day, pacific rim or the kriptonian invasion

Funny thing, I think the Fox marvel movies have much better action scenes or showing for their characters

So we all agree that marvel is phucked.