Hero of Tython and Lord Scourge vs. ROTS Sidious and ROTS Kenobi

Originally posted by Nephthys
No.

'Each is among the most powerful Sith in the galaxy'

'Anyone who becomes a Darth and lasts longer than a month has clearly earned her position through considerable power and sheer force of will.'

OK, by weakling, I'm speaking relative to the top dogs here.

And furthermore, an example of a once powerful dark council member who now survives mainly on political power would be that one sith Nyriss sends Scourge to kill.

Bullshit. What about Nyriss? Or Darth Nox? Or Darth "routed whole armies and deflected assaults more thoroughly than any planetary shield" Marr? Darth Jadus? Darth Thanaton? Even Baras is probably a good fight for Kenobi. [/B]

Nyriss was once shotted by Revan into a pile of ash.

Darth Marr's accolade sounds like quite the hyperbole.

And remember that I'm referring to the dark council as a whole relative to jedi councils - the top dogs of the PT council, Yoda and Windu, could hand Kenobi his ass as well.

Wat Up People This Topic Is Smelly.

Anyways The Hero Beat Sidious & Kenobi Beat Scourage Ultra Easy Then The Hero Kill Kenobi.

He could probably beat them all, though.

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Originally posted by Master Han

And furthermore, an example of a once powerful dark council member who now survives mainly on political power would be that one sith Nyriss sends Scourge to kill.

Nyriss was once shotted by Revan into a pile of ash.

Actually, the Emperor wanted Nyriss dead for other reasons. She didn't mainly survive on political power, she survived on her own power. She tooled Scourge and the Exile at the same time in Revan. Her lightning was so powerful it tore through shields and desintegrates living beings.

She was turned to ashes by her own lightning.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Actually, the Emperor wanted Nyriss dead for other reasons. She didn't mainly survive on political power, she survived on her own power. She tooled Scourge and the Exile at the same time in Revan. He lightning was so powerful it tore through shields and desintegrates living beings.

Uh, read my post more carefully. That's not what I said.

Originally posted by Master Han
Uh, read my post more carefully. That's not what I said.

Apparently I can't read well today, lol.

Originally posted by Master Han
OK, by weakling, I'm speaking relative to the top dogs here.

And furthermore, an example of a once powerful dark council member who now survives mainly on political power would be that one sith Nyriss sends Scourge to kill.

These are the top dogs of the Empire. They are not weaklings compared to anyone.

That's an anomaly, as my quotes prove.

Originally posted by Master Han
I'd also point out that there's no reason to believe that the average Dark Council member is above the level of the average Jedi Council member, and Kenobi could tool 99% of them throughout history.

Ground realities of Dark Council is vastly different from that of Jedi Council. Competition for acquiring seats in the Dark Council spanned over millions of individuals within the Empire. In such a cut throat competition, sometimes, individuals didn't even last a month in the Dark Council. Yes, even after becoming a member of the Dark Council, the game was not over. Only the strongest individuals in the Galaxy lasted long in the Dark Council.

In contrast, a Jedi doesn't needs to be among the strongest in the Order to be appointed for membership in the Jedi Council. These members are mostly "role model" Jedi.

I recall two Dark Council members who engaged in a fight inside the (first) Citadel and utterly shattered the building in the process. These Council members are not even so well-known.

Originally posted by Master Han
And furthermore, an example of a once powerful dark council member who now survives mainly on political power would be that one sith Nyriss sends Scourge to kill.

Originally posted by Master Han
Nyriss was once shotted by Revan into a pile of ash.

Originally posted by Master Han
Darth Marr's accolade sounds like quite the hyperbole.

Originally posted by Master Han
And remember that I'm referring to the dark council as a whole relative to jedi councils - the top dogs of the PT council, Yoda and Windu, could hand Kenobi his ass as well.

Obi-Wan's greatest weakness is his lack of effectiveness at handling potent Force powers.

Oooh, who?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Absolutely wrong!

Ground realities of Dark Council is vastly different from that of Jedi Council. Competition for acquiring seats in the Dark Council spanned over millions of individuals within the Empire. In such a cut throat competition, sometimes, individuals didn't even last a month in the Dark Council. Yes, even after becoming a member of the Dark Council, the game was not over. Only the strongest individuals in the Galaxy lasted long in the Dark Council.

In contrast, a Jedi doesn't needs to be among the strongest in the Order to be appointed for membership in the Jedi Council. These members are mostly "role model" Jedi.

I recall two Dark Council members who engaged in a fight inside the (first) Citadel and utterly shattered the building in the process. These Council members are not even so popular.

To the reverse, I could argue that the Dark Council would hold more political nepotism and corrupt practices.

Again, I'm much too lazy to bring out all the quotes at the moment, but it's been stated on more than one occasions that it's not uncommon for many members of the dark council to have either reached or maintained their position through political guile rather than Force ability.

Hence why Malgus was never a member until the end.

Originally posted by Master Han
To the reverse, I could argue that the Dark Council would hold more political nepotism and corrupt practices.

Again, I'm much too lazy to bring out all the quotes at the moment, but it's been stated on more than one occasions that it's not uncommon for many members of the dark council to have either reached or maintained their position through political guile rather than Force ability.

Hence why Malgus was never a member until the end.

Powerful Sith existed outside the Dark Council as well. Not every Sith was willing to get involved in a life-threatening competition.

Of-course, Dark Council members were politicians as well but strength was a central characteristic of them. Every Dark Council member was in-charge of a special assignment in the Sith Empire and he/she had to be the role-model in his/her sector to survive and expect discipline from those who worked beneath him/her (like millions).

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oooh, who?

Its confirmed by the Swtor codex that the Dark Council is made up of the most powerful Sith in the Empire, 'Each is among the most powerful Sith in the galaxy' (in fact the use of in the galaxy means they still counted even when Exar Kun and Revan and their empires were running around) and that even surviving a month as a Darth, let alone a Dark Council Member, proves that one has considerable power, ''Anyone who becomes a Darth and lasts longer than a month has clearly earned her position through considerable power and sheer force of will.'

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Victun and Darth Qalar

Very interesting. And despite that great power, they were still able to be executed by the rest of the Council.

^^^

Exactly

After the destruction of the first Citadel, a second was built.

You know, I'm much too lazy to get out my Revan and Deceived novels and cite evidence that not every dark council member is a powerhouse relative to the likes of Kenobi, but I think you both know that they're there.

You know, because although being on the dark council may correlate with and even require power, it's not an absolute relationship. Politics also come into mind, hence why Malgus isn't on the council.

Similarly, everyone on the PT Jedi council is likely in the top 1% of the Jedi Order in terms of Force capabilities, but Dooku isn't on the council and could tool all but two of them, and Qui Gon never made it because he held unorthodox views.

Yes, thats true. However, that doesn't mean that the overwhelming majority of DCM's aren't extremely powerful badasses who are the most powerful Sith in the Empire. Just because other powerful Sith who rival them are not on the council, doesn't make the council weak.

Its canon that 'Each is among the most powerful Sith in the galaxy'. Just end of story.

Dooku and Qui-Gon are exceptions, though.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, thats true. However, that doesn't mean that the overwhelming majority of DCM's aren't extremely powerful badasses who are the most powerful Sith in the Empire. Just because other powerful Sith who rival them are not on the council, doesn't make the council weak.

Its canon that 'Each is among the most powerful Sith in the galaxy'. Just end of story.

Could refer to political power. biscuits

Lmao.