Mace Windu runs the gauntlet!

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Are you serious and/or trolling?

🙄 Maybe you should watch the movie again, before automatically jumping to support your "Palpatine just can't **** up!" mantra.

Mace Windu has several opportunities to kill Palpatine after he knocks his lightsaber out of his hand. The only reason Palpatine survives is Windu's acting like a dumbass. He could have immediately lunged at the DLOTS and cut him down as he scurried away from his blade. That's certainly what I would have done, but apparently, Windu forgot about sith lightning.

He then forgot about the fact that he had earlier sensed Anakin's fear and conflict to the point where he didn't even trust him to accompany his arrest team, and later through shatterpoint, and so is somehow caught off guard by a deranged Skywalker he's never liked in the first place, who had just earlier shouted "I need him!" in a disturbing voice.

Why did Windu even telegraph his strike? What would have happened had he just done a more efficient stab through Palpatine's heart? The supposedly infallible Darth Sidious would be dead.

This is confirmed by Lucas's own commentary.

Master Han HELL NO Darth Sidious Fake The Fight.

I Never Did Like That Mace Windu Character

Originally posted by Master Han
🙄 Maybe you should watch the movie again, before automatically jumping to support your "Palpatine just can't **** up!" mantra.

Originally posted by Master Han
Mace Windu has [b]several opportunities to kill Palpatine after he knocks his lightsaber out of his hand. The only reason Palpatine survives is Windu's acting like a dumbass. He could have immediately lunged at the DLOTS and cut him down as he scurried away from his blade. That's certainly what I would have done, but apparently, Windu forgot about sith lightning. [/B]

Originally posted by Master Han
He then forgot about the fact that he had earlier sensed Anakin's fear and conflict to the point where he didn't even trust him to accompany his arrest team, and later through shatterpoint, and so is somehow caught off guard by a deranged Skywalker he's never liked in the first place, who had just earlier shouted "I need him!" in a disturbing voice.

Originally posted by Master Han
Why did Windu even telegraph his strike? What would have happened had he just done a more efficient stab through Palpatine's heart? The supposedly infallible Darth Sidious would be dead.

Originally posted by Vensai
"Okay, well, this sequence always started out with Mace overpowering Palpatine, and then Palpatine using his powers to try to destroy Mace, and Mace deflecting his rays with his lightsaber. And it always was that Anakin cut the lightsaber out of his hand. But this part where he pretends to lose his power and be weak was something that I added later, 'cause this is, it moved the point where Anakin turns down to this moment right here, and you can see now, that it's very clear that he's, he, he wants him to go on trial so he can pump him for information about how to get these powers."
--Taken from the Revenge of the Sith commentary

This should really be the end of this. Lucas himself saying that Mace overpowered Sidious and that Sidious was trying to destroy Windu with his lightning. End of discussion imo.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
LOL. That's your argument? Need I remind you how Sidious pointed his lightsaber at Windu but instead of pushing it through the latter's body he forced him backwards?

Actually, Sidious then tries to lunge at Windu, who deflects his attack and catches him in a grip.

I'd point out that, if Sidious is such a genius that he can:

a) Fake facial expressions and, presumably, emotions, to give the appearance of being desperate.
b) Get his lightsaber kicked out of his hand without leaving himself so open as to get a lightsaber through his heart.
c) Somehow know that Anakin will arrive just in time to avoid Windu from immediately killing him.
d) Somehow know that Windu will act like a dumbass and do a wide, telegraphed strike...

He wouldn't have made it so obvious that he was "staging" the fight as to hover with his lightsaber to Windu's chest for several seconds. You're suggesting he was far more subtle than that.

LOL. And why would he even think of Anakin's fear in his fight with Sidious?

What? I'm referring to afterwards, when Windu is about to strike Palpatine down.

1. He does a telegraphed overhand strike.
2. He just heard Anakin disturbingly saying that he "needs" Palpatine.
3. He doesn't trust Anakin, and has never really liked him.
4. Despite all of the above, he is still caught off guard by Skywalker's saber slash.

Come to the point. [/B]

The point is that Palpatine couldn't have thrown the fight, because he couldn't have known that Windu would act like a dumbass, and because Windu could have killed him on numerous occasions.

I Am Right

Originally posted by Master Han
I Am A Dumb Troll & Fanboy of Mace Windu & A Liar

I Do Agree.

lol

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Originally posted by Nephthys
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Originally posted by Nephthys
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Originally posted by Col. Valerian
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Originally posted by Master Han
The point is that Palpatine couldn't have thrown the fight, because he couldn't have known that Windu would act like a dumbass, and because Windu could have killed him on numerous occasions.

An outside-universe explanation won't do.

Definitely.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Definitely.

Thanks Buddy. You Can Be My 2nd In Command Okey. Nepthys Will Be 3rd.

lol

Originally posted by Intrepid37
What? That's how the fights are in the movies. Qui-Gon could've killed Maul instead of pushing him over the edge after Maul pushed down Obi-Wan. Dooku could've altered his blade for a simple kill against Yoda, as could he have killed Yoda when the latter rescued Obi-Wan/Anakin.
An outside-universe explanation won't do.

Uh...dude, that's exactly what your theory requires.

So when Palpatine's planning his "throw the fight and hope not to die" act, what happens when he considers the possibility that Windu will just kill him on the spot, before Anakin can do anything (given that he's far faster and more powerful than the young Skywalker)?

According to your post above, he thinks "well, in our Star Wars galaxy, plot devices will prevent Windu from performing the most logical attack, and instead will prompt him monologue and XYZ that will happen to allow me to survive by a perfect sequence of events."

No. He got lucky. If he could perfectly predict every possible variable to the degree you suggest, he wouldn't have died in RotJ.

Originally posted by Master Han
According to your post above, he thinks "well, in our Star Wars galaxy, plot devices will prevent Windu from performing the most logical attack, and instead will prompt him monologue and XYZ that will happen to allow me to survive by a [b]perfect sequence of events.". [/B]

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Originally posted by Master Han
Uh...dude, that's [b]exactly what your theory requires. [/B]

Originally posted by Master Han
So when Palpatine's planning his "throw the fight and hope not to die" act, what happens when he considers the possibility that Windu will just kill him on the spot, before Anakin can do anything

Originally posted by Master Han
(given that he's far faster and more powerful than the young Skywalker)?

Originally posted by Master Han
According to your post above, he thinks "well, in our Star Wars galaxy, plot devices will prevent Windu from performing the most logical attack, and instead will prompt him monologue and XYZ that will happen to allow me to survive by a [b]perfect sequence of events." [/B]

Originally posted by Master Han
No. He got lucky. If he could perfectly predict every possible variable to the degree you suggest, he wouldn't have died in RotJ.