Galen Marek & Rahm Kota vs Count Dooku & Darth Maul

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Which is meaningless as Maul has beaten Vader, and Dooku has beaten Grievous whom destroyed Shaak Ti.

1. Leland Chee has suggested that the Maul clone fiasco may have been a Force vision or something esoteric.

2. RotJ Vader is more powerful than he'd ever been.

3. Has Grievous fought Shaak Ti beyond the retconned 2003 series?

1. What?

2. I'm well aware.

3. No.

Galen Marek is a beast. He could take on either of team 2's combatants individually all-out. I'm not entirely familiar with his skill with a lightsaber other than it being described as "near perfect", though.

All-out, this goes to team 1. Sabers, not sure.

Galen also beat Vader in lightsabers.

When did this happen?

I thought he beat him all-out. At least that's what I remember about the game.

In the 1st novel.

'"I don't hate you," the apprentice went on, blocking him blow for blow. "I pity you." With a new strength of his own, he forced Darth Vader onto his back foot. "You destroyed who I was and made me as I am now, but this wasn't your idea. It was the Emperor's, and it's what he's already done to you." A strip of Darth Vader's cape fluttered away, smoking. The two came closer together until they were face-to-mask. The apprentice stared directly into the black eye guards of his former Master. "You are his creature just as I was yours-but you've never had the strength to rebel. That's why I pity you. I will no longer serve a monster, and if I have my way I'll make sure you don't, either."

Vader tried to pull away, but the apprentice followed him, keeping him on the back foot.

"I will kill you," he said, "to set you free."

The lightsabers flashed again-and it was the apprentice who found the chink in the armor that both of them had been waiting for. Vader's lightsaber moved too slowly to block a blow to his chest, allowing the apprentice's blade to slash deeply across his armored throat. Vader staggered backward, gloved hand upraised to the smoking wound.

There was no blood. Instead of pressing the attack, the apprentice stood his ground. Despite himself, he was as surprised as his former Master clearly was.

For a moment, the only sounds were the twin humming of the lightsabers and the wheezing of Darth Vader's respirator.

Then the Dark Lord laughed.

It was an awful sound, empty of humor and full of mockery. In it, the apprentice heard a decade and a half of torture and abuse.

Anger flared. He lunged forward. His former Master barely blocked the blow. A second scored a deep wound across his black-clad shoulder. A third stabbed deep into his thigh.

Darth Vader reeled backward, servos whining in his injured limbs and lightsaber shaking.'

After that he pwns him with the Force, but its apparent from the above that he's better than Vader in lightsabers too. Theres also a bit in the game where he owns him in lightsabers.

Marek mused they fought as equals IIRC.

Hitting your opponent 4 times in rapid succession does not demonstrate parity in my book.

That doesn't by any means demonstrate equality. Galen was clearly beating Vader. So, he's at least Vader-level saberwise.

But then the clone in TFU II could not get the edge over Vader at all in Sabers.

So either clones suck in comparison to Originals, or Vader was better prepared for Galan in TFU II.

Vader held back massively in TFU 2.

Did he?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Vader held back massively in TFU 2.

Evidence?

Vader made no move to defend himself when Starkiller reached the very top of the cloning tower. Determined to prove him wrong, Starkiller didn't waste time announcing his intentions. He just lunged. Only at the very last moment did Vader raise his blade to block the blow, and even then the move seemed almost casual, disinterested.

-The Force Unleashed II

Vader was still testing him; he sensed that more and more keenly, with every passing moment, but to what purpose he still couldn't tell. Vader himself fought more cautiously than he had on the Death Star, the last time they had dueled in earnest.

-The Force Unleashed II

Nonetheless, he's certainly trying to kill him by the end, when hes throwing his lightsaber at a dangling Starkiller.

As I said, he's at least Vader level saberwise. Which is considerable, and when you add his ridiculous Force abilites to the mix, Marek's very impressive and certainly capable of defeating Dooku and Maul.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Marek's very impressive and certainly capable of defeating Dooku and Maul.

Dooku and Maul Together?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Dooku and Maul Together?

If you go by feats alone. But if you power scale (and you really should), then hell no.

Marek can't defeat them by feats alone either.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Dooku and Maul Together?

Separately.