Count Dooku vs Meetra Surik (Jedi Exile)

Originally posted by NewGuy01
And then the game's protagonist, who can apparently kill the Force, is completely retcon'd in Revan as the likes that can have their asses handed to them by Nyriss.

That's Drew's fault, not Obsidian's.

I'd prefer to forget about Revan way more than I'd like to forget about Kotor II. That game made me seriously excited about the character of Revan and how things would play out for him and the Exile. The book just made me want to forget it was ever written. Destroyed the character of both of them and turned the really mysterious, intriguing True Sith into just a stupid generic Empire-ripoff.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'd prefer to forget about Revan way more than I'd like to forget about Kotor II. That game made me seriously excited about the character of Revan and how things would play out for him and the Exile. The book just made me want to forget it was ever written. Destroyed the character of both of them and turned the really mysterious, intriguing True Sith into just a stupid generic Empire-ripoff.

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Still, the novel was much more within the bounds of the set universe than KOTOR II.

I mean, we have Nihilus who can walk up to a planet, say "Hi", and have every living inhabitant on said planet die despite their level of power unless they happen to be a wound in the Force? And then we have Meetra who can kill the Force itself? (AKA: All life in the galaxy???) Traya and Sion are the same way. It's just so... DBZ.

Not really. Nihilus is the only out of place thing, but even he makes sense as an extension of the concept of force drain (particularly Exar Kun and his ritual). Meetra can kill the Force only because of shatterpoint and force wounds, which again is something that makes sense as a logical extension of the Living Force principle. And Sion is basically Anakin and that guy who lived as a head in a jar.

All of them are just things based off of already existing concepts in the EU.

It's sad how you try desperately to justify outlandish elements of an otherwise decent story. Let it go, my son.

'Outlandish elements?' This is the EU buddy, where sentient trees survive supernova's and Anakin Skywalker is actually cool. Sometimes.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
t's just so... DBZ.

More like Broly.

Originally posted by Nephthys
and that guy who lived as a head in a jar.

Simus.

When Traya said, "Killing the Force" I interpreted it as killing all Force Sensitives, and then the Jedi/Sith teachings will be destroyed, and no one will longer use the Force.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Not really. Nihilus is the only out of place thing, but even he makes sense as an extension of the concept of force drain (particularly Exar Kun and his ritual). Meetra can kill the Force only because of shatterpoint and force wounds, which again is something that makes sense as a logical extension of the Living Force principle. And Sion is basically Anakin and that guy who lived as a head in a jar.

All of them are just things based off of already existing concepts in the EU.

Nihilus and Traya are far too overpowered, nonetheless. So was Meetra, in her own right.

So's the entire EU. I don't blame Obsidian for going 'You know what, f*ck power creep. Lets just make the most monstrous dude we can think of. He should last a few years before getting out-wanked.'

The whole KOTOR II - Revan continuation was dealt with terribly. It's mainly the reason why Revan continues to be a character who we know is considerably powerful but cannot be accurately analyzed in terms of where he stands against the PT Jedi.

Yeah Drew really needs to make a book to show an accurate display of his power (not just throwing a lightsaber at some mandos and killing a random imperial guard)

Personally I put it down to stylistic differences? Meetra was portrayed in Revan as being a decided cut below what her feats in Kotor II indicate her at. But this is commonplace in the EU. Many characters underperform all the time. I'm not going to hold that against her or allow it to diminish the other feats she's done.

i'd say it's more than a cut below. Meetra has defeated foes that are arguably FAR more powerful than scourge (at that time) , yet in the book it says if scourge and meetra fought, the victor would be uncertain, signaling that they are about equal in power

uhuh

I'd say that just indicates Scourge is better than people are giving him credit for.

It does, but it also indicates Scourge as of Revan was more powerful than Darth Sion and Darth Traya... Which doesn't make sense because by that time (although already a promising and powerful Sith) he wasn't in his prime, was easily defeated by Nyriss and believed he wasn't a match for most Dark Council members...

WTF Drew.

Bluh. >_<

...So if Scourge and Meetra are equal in power as of Revan, that means the powerful Dark Council members (like Nyriss) are way above Darth Traya, and the Emperor is eons above any of them...

Scourge became more skilled and powerful over those 300 years as the Emperor's Wrath, so he came to be more powerful than the Exile.

It's a little bit confusing.