Count Dooku vs Meetra Surik (Jedi Exile)

I mean at his first inception Nihlus' mask was meant to be made from the bones of Revan. So...yes she was supposed to be stronger than your KOTOR 2 character. But I guess because Revan's fanbase was a bit larger he got the highest powerup. (Which, being a Revan fan I always debated in his favor because of Kreia's statement that Revan was like the heart of the force).

As for this Dooku slaughters because of Meetra being retconned into sidekick-level powers.

But you can see it either way.

Meetra being pwned by Drew, or the Dark Council members, etc. being just that powerful... I'd lean over to that conclusion rather than Meetra being retconned. She still has impressive feats.

Exactly. No mere sidekick can solo a Sith temple.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Exactly. No mere sidekick can solo a Sith temple.

I dunno about that. I mean Garrus did become Archangel. (Someone please get this reference).

Originally posted by Nephthys
Exactly. No mere sidekick can solo a Sith temple.

Indeed.

Plus, Kreia did say Jedi and Sith of the KOTOR era were like "children playing with toys" compared to the ancient Sith... Ancient Sith = Vitiate's Empire.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I dunno about that. I mean Garrus did become Archangel. (Someone please get this reference).

I wouldn't consider Garrus a mere side-kick, either.

Yeah...... except that the Kotor era Jedi later stalemated Vitiates Empire.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I dunno about that. I mean Garrus did become Archangel. (Someone please get this reference).

GARrus is no sidekick. estahuh

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah...... except that the Kotor era Jedi later stalemated Vitiates Empire.

It was 300 years later, though.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah...... except that the Kotor era Jedi later stalemated Vitiates Empire.

The Exile likely said 'prepare for war' before she left. And Admiral Onasi and the Lost Jedi who would undoubtedly be a part of the new Jedi Council (Visas Marr, Mical, Bastilla, Atton, ect.) The martial nature of the order likely increased.

GARrus is no sidekick. estahuh [/B]

Shepard and Vakarian are the dynamic duo of the Mass Effect universe.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The Exile likely said 'prepare for war' before she left. And Admiral Onasi and the Lost Jedi who would undoubtedly be a part of the new Jedi Council (Visas Marr, Mical, Bastilla, Atton, ect.) The martial nature of the order likely increased.

Shepard and Vakarian are the dynamic duo of the Mass Effect universe.

They're not. They only work together and they're also friends, but they're definitely not Batman and Robin style.

I hate that in TOR you never see absolutely anything regarding the Lost Jedi and how they reconstructed the entire Jedi Order. That's one of the things that really pisses me off about that game.

They should be considered mother****ing heroes by the TOR Jedi, there should be a ****ing statue of each Lost Jedi and the Exile, they should mention them often throughout the game and tell the tale of how they, alongside the Jedi Exile, rebuilt the Order from scratch. Instead, we get nothing. Nothing.

Just to rub it in, the cast of Kotor do get statues. awermm

Good. Glad to see the real heroes get statues.

The real heroes?? Mate, the characters from KOTOR II made the events of TOR possible. And they don't even mention them. That is just bullshit.

Yep. The real heroes.

Revan > Exile

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
They're not. They only work together and they're also friends, but they're definitely not Batman and Robin style.

In ME 1 they are more like Batman and Robin, then in ME2 he becomes more of a Nightwing esq character/ more of a friend.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
The real heroes?? Mate, the characters from KOTOR II made the events of TOR possible. And they don't even mention them. That is just bullshit.

BioWare just didn't want to give them more credit then they had to.

Like seriously back when TOR was in development the BioWare mods were in heavy defending of ignoring KOTOR 2. They said since KOTOR 2 was a proxy war no one heard about it's not important.

Never mind the fact that the Exile started the new order...

Exactly. It was a proxy war no-one heard of, but obviously the ones restarting the order fought in it so you can't just ignore it, it wouldn't be unknown about afterwards.

Yes, the war is unimportant, but the fact that the Lost Jedi and the Exile where the ones that made everything in TOR possible simply shouldn't be ignored. It's stupid that they did, and it angers me. 😠

As much as BioWare didn't like KOTOR II, they should've acted like mature men and deal with the fact that it's canon instead of just ignoring it and leave plot-holes that will never be explained.

They didn't ignore it. They made the Exile a ***** and made Kreia's spirit a slave.

The reason why the Exile was so poorly represented was that Karpyshan hardly knew a thing about her or Kotor II, as he's admitted.

Kreia's spirit isn't a slave though. Yay! It was likely intended to be her, but its never been confirmed and fuuuuuck that.

Originally posted by ares834
They didn't ignore it. They made the Exile a ***** and made Kreia's spirit a slave.

They ignored the whole "the Lost Jedi built the Jedi Order from scratch" thing, which made possible the existence of Jedi in TOR...