Originally posted by Nephthys
She 'visibly charged up' a Force Wave [b]after flattening him against a wall and continually applying force to him. Watch the trailer, the 'charge up' takes under a second:[/B]
Don't really think any of those Force Blasts/Waves are beyond what Maul/Opress can do tbh.
Neither of them can force Malgus back like that and keep forcing him back, nor do I see either of them shattering the cliff-face like she did.
Originally posted by Master Han
Hmm. Imma look for it.
Chubba chubba hey!
Originally posted by Master Han
...um, watch the movie. He clearly fell far more than your definition of five stories.
Thats what the novel says.
Originally posted by Master Han
But the point is that he [b]wasn't slowing himself down, at least not by any significant figure. [/b]
How do you know?
Originally posted by Master Han
And Aryn was slowing herself down, so IDK why you insist that she was going at terminal velocity.
She falls from the upper atmosphere, and only starts slowing herself 500 meters from the ground.
Originally posted by Master Han
Yeah...no. Her blocking her own impact and her slowing herself down aren't exclusive actions. She would have performed the former if she were capable; she obviously wasn't.
If you read the section, they clearly are exclusive. Also, she actually stops her fall and levitates for a moment releasing and falling from a few meters from the ground. Her minor wounds come entirely from just falling from that height in a bad position. Likely because she was carrying someone and couldn't roll properly.
'They hung in the air for a fraction of a second, suspended only by the invisible power of the Force and Aryn’s ability to use it.'
So this whole thing was even more pointless than I thought.
Originally posted by Master Han
Her knees buckled. 😉 And hitting a perpendicular-moving airspeeder at terminal velocity [b]is more impressive than blocking an impact that can shatter stone.[/b]
No they didn't:
"A ROAR, heavy with hate and rage, pulled Aryn’s eyes skyward. Malgus descended like a meteor. His cape flew out behind and over him, a comma of darkness, and he held his lightsaber in a two-handed grip. Power went before him in a wave of visible distortion. The shuttle out of which he had leapt flew off into the night sky.
Aryn fell fully into the Force, raised her defenses, took a fighting stance, and parried Malgus’s two-handed overhand slash. Still, he landed in a cocoon
of power, hitting the ground in an explosion of might that shattered the stones around them and turned them into a hail of shrapnel. Unflinching, Aryn deflected them with the Force as she parried another slash from Malgus. The force of the Sith’s blow made her arms quiver, but she gave no ground."
It specifically says that she didn't flinch. Anakin's feat shows skill and timing, but Aryn's is way more powerful and translatable into combat, showing great defenses and strength.
Originally posted by Master Han
All you've pointed out are shattering stone...yeah, that's laughable in the reverse.
Read the quote, its a great feat. The force needed to shatter stone with such impact that it turns into shrapnel is incredible, far more than Anakin ripping some stupid machine out of some bolts. Also, provide this feat where Anakin rips bolted machinery.
Originally posted by Master Han
How do you know? It's not as if Force walls are visible phenomena.
In the novel Dooku bumps into it and comments on it. He does neither in the movie.
Originally posted by Master Han
Sure, she's good. Nobody ever denied this. Now stop making useless comments.
Aw yissssss hug time!
where doing it man
where MAKING THIS HAPEN
Originally posted by Master Han
In context, you suggested that Shan would be capable of overpowering Skywalker's defenses to the point where he would be unable to engage her in lightsaber combat.
Yes I did. And I think she could. Take a look at the video and see how quickly she can attack. Its faster than Anakin can close the gap imo.
I also said that she would be capable of overwhelming his defenses even if he does engage her in lightsaber combat, since I think she's a good enough fighter to do so.
Originally posted by Master Han
In her journals, she admits that had it not been for Malcom's intervention, she probably would have died.
If she was actually getting stronger by absorbing his lightsaber, I wonder why this was. mmm
Originally posted by Master Han
Really? And why do you suppose she waits for Malcom to almost-die before pulling it off? Why do you suppose she never led with this? Why do you suppose she admits she's hesitant to fight Magnus again, and that she would not have survived had it not been for Malcom's intervention?
She didn't wait for him to die and she might not have survived because she was in a precarious position because Malgus is that good of a fighter, which is also why she's reluctant to fight him.
Originally posted by Master Han
ROFLAMO, yes, yes you are. This isn't a question of who could win, but who would. That's why tactical acumen matters, and that's why we don't argue that Yoda would defeat Vitiate by using Force lightning.
No I don't. I used to try to argue this as well but Tempest explained it to me quite clearly that we're arguing the characters on the basis of their abilities, not personalities unless their personalities affect their abilities. For example, Yoda says on two occasions that he's against attacking with the Force. Yet in a forum thread we'll still argue him using the Force in a fight despite this regardless of his personable beliefs. Satele can use the Force on Anakin right off the bat, therefore it is a legitimate argument of mine to argue about her doing so.
Originally posted by Master Han
So because she can ambush two mook sith, she can pull it off against Anakin? 🙄
Irrelevant. You asked for proof that she would open up with a Force attack. She does so against them.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Neither of them can force Malgus back like that and keep forcing him back, nor do I see either of them shattering the cliff-face like she did.
Hmm dunno, Maul did cause that cave in with that more instantaneous force blast he sent Kenobi flying with. If he could have continued with that assault, spent some seconds gathering his energy then I wouldn't put it past him to shatter a cliff face.
Also don't forget Opress kept forcing back Kenobi and Skywalker together with his Force Repulses. And floored several Destroyer Droids plus a small army of regular droids on top.
Sure, but Satele did it while also holding back Malgus, the same Malgus who went on to do this after they dug him out:
"Malgus fell into the Force, roared, and hounded down the street, his anger lending his speed.
The Jedi held his ground. At twenty meters, the Jedi raised his lightsabers aloft to either side and drew them both down with a flourish.
Too late the rumble of the falling buildings penetrated the haze of Malgus's anger. An avalanche of duracrete and transparisteel crached down on him from either side of the street.
Malgus stood in a pocket under a mountain of rubble, legs bent, the power from his upraised hands preventing several tons of duracrete and steel from crushing him. Dust made his already troubled breath more difficult. He coughed as the words of his father echoed in his mind.
He'd been sloppy, so lost in his need for revenge that he'd failed to properly evaluate the Jedi's power. He's surrendered his reason to bloodlust. But no more. With an effort of will, he contained his anger, controlled it, made it a whetstone against which he sharpened his power. Using the Force, he blew the rubble up and away from him. It fell with a crash on the adjacent buildings. A Force-augmented leap carried him out and over the heap. The Jedi's eyes widened as Malgus hit the street. Malgus sneered and charged."
And then proceeded to overpower the Jedi who collapsed two buildings on him with the Force.
Also I still don't rate either of those things above Satele shattering that cliff. I think Maul probably collapsed the tunnel after that force blast, since it isn't shown to damage anything that would cause it to collapse and Kenobi + the blast don't hit the wall hard enough to cause it to collapse. It just doesn't add up to me, it just blasts Kenobi and some rocks back, it isn;t shown damaging the walls or ceiling in a way that would cause to cave-in.
Maul's definitely caused a cave-in because it separated Kenobi from Maul/Opress.
And obviously Opress Force Pulse putting down all those Destroyer Droids was pretty Uber, it just wasn't focused towards one person (probably due to his lack of training).
So personally not seeing Shan's as being on another level to those 2 just yet.