Originally posted by Nephthys
Irrelevant. You asked for proof that she would open up with a Force attack. She does so against them.
You do realize that you sort of nullified your own argument here...right? She would open up with a Force attack if it were tactically useful...oops, she does so against mook sith, but not against Malgus! Guess what that means?
A Force vision is what the Force showed them of a possible future. It's often a situation or event that would come to past if nothing was done about it. They sometimes create the situation that they intended to prevent. Anakin would have called on the Force to destroyed that building had Obi wan left him to his own devices.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Thats what the novel says.
Movies trump the novels. He fell more than five "stories". Deal with it.
How do you know?
Because he hit the airspeeder at ridiculous speeds? Because the IT:AotC states he was in free fall for 600 meters?
She falls from the upper atmosphere, and only starts slowing herself 500 meters from the ground.
LOL, 500 meters is plenty of time. Is her command of the Force inferior to the world's most pathetic parachute?
If you read the section, they clearly are exclusive.
No, they aren't. Shielding herself from the fall would take place during impact. Slowing herself down would take place during the fall. The timelines don't overlap.
Also, she actually stops her fall and levitates for a moment releasing and falling from a few meters from the ground. Her minor wounds come entirely from just falling from that height in a bad position. Likely because she was carrying someone and couldn't roll properly.
OK, so she falls from a minor height and gets injured...while Anakin falls from a far higher height and is unscathed. 😆
No they didn't:"A ROAR, heavy with hate and rage, pulled Aryn’s eyes skyward. Malgus descended like a meteor. His cape flew out behind and over him, a comma of darkness, and he held his lightsaber in a two-handed grip. Power went before him in a wave of visible distortion. The shuttle out of which he had leapt flew off into the night sky.
Aryn fell fully into the Force, raised her defenses, took a fighting stance, and parried Malgus’s two-handed overhand slash. Still, he landed in a cocoon
of power, hitting the ground in an explosion of might that shattered the stones around them and turned them into a hail of shrapnel. Unflinching, Aryn deflected them with the Force as she parried another slash from Malgus. The force of the Sith’s blow made her arms quiver, but she gave no ground."
Yeah, her arms quiver. And shattering stone really isn't as impressive as, say, ripping durasteel, which both Anakin and Obi Wan can easily do.
It specifically says that she didn't flinch. Anakin's feat shows skill and timing, but Aryn's is way more powerful and translatable into combat, showing great defenses and strength.
It's not just skill and timing, it's deflecting a massively destructive impact.
Read the quote, its a great feat. The force needed to shatter stone with such impact that it turns into shrapnel is incredible, far more than Anakin ripping some stupid machine out of some bolts. Also, provide this feat where Anakin rips bolted machinery.
Stupid machine out of some bolts? 😆 Whatever you say. Durasteel is still durasteel.
In the novel Dooku bumps into it and comments on it. He does neither in the movie.
So? We see plenty of shot cuts that don't leave the possibility out, and we see Anakin doing far better against Dooku than Obi Wan did. There's nothing to suggest Aryn could have done the same.
Yes I did. And I think she could. Take a look at the video and see how quickly she can attack. Its faster than Anakin can close the gap imo.
She does this after absorbing a lightsaber, and conveniently after Malcom distracts Malgus for several seconds. You seem to have forgotten these minor details while bragging about "how quickly" she does this.
I also said that she would be capable of overwhelming his defenses even if he does engage her in lightsaber combat, since I think she's a good enough fighter to do so.
How so, lol? She dies a quick death in lightsaber combat; there's nothing to suggest Satele Shan ever becomes a match for Anakin in the martial arts.
If she was actually getting stronger by absorbing his lightsaber, I wonder why this was. mmm
Because Malgus could have disengaged and chopped her head off?
She didn't wait for him to die and she might not have survived because she was in a precarious position because Malgus is that good of a fighter, which is also why she's reluctant to fight him.
LOL, if she could have pulled that feat off at any moment, why did she wait for Malcom to engage him and pull a detonator? Why not immediately pull it off after Malgus is tackled? The only possibility other than "she can't do it as casually as you purport" is "she waited for him to die".
No I don't. I used to try to argue this as well but Tempest explained it to me quite clearly that we're arguing the characters on the basis of their abilities, not personalities unless their personalities affect their abilities. For example, Yoda says on two occasions that he's against attacking with the Force. Yet in a forum thread we'll still argue him using the Force in a fight despite this regardless of his personable beliefs. Satele can use the Force on Anakin right off the bat, therefore it is a legitimate argument of mine to argue about her doing so.
Except that she clearly cannot overwhelm Malgus with the Force without prep time.
Irrelevant. You asked for proof that she would open up with a Force attack. She does so against them.
Your own proof is, ironically enough, irrelevant, as Shan has neither the element of surprise nor a massive power advantage in this confrontation. That she would use the attack on two unsuspecting mooks does not suggest that she either would or could pull it off against a prophesied Jedi that destroy buildings by screaming. Anakin by RotS is one of the top duelists in the mythos; he eats her up.
The Malgus we see in Hope would not stand a chance. The Malgus in False Emperor might be a better opponent, except that his abilities are almost totally unknown. I'd say that he's probably not on Anakin's dueling level because there's no reason to assume that he is, because he doesn't demonstrate such feats or accolades, and because he's really lame.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, did you see him tank Barriss' Force attack? Took that on the chin like a pro, hardly looked like a doofus at all.
Well he did take it because he carried on fighting.
Whilst She went down to his TK Attack.
By tanking I don't mean you don't flinch. I mean you stay in the fight and carry on fighting as well as you were before the Force Attack.
You could apply all of that logic to everyone in the SW mythos..
If the Order hadn't intervened on geonosis then battle droid skill Anakin before he gets to the zone.
If Vader didn't drop Sidious then Luke dies in episode 6 and LOTF Luke never happens.
Regardless it is said that Satele has shatterpoint, can break down blast doors effortlessly, has enough power to absorb a lightsaber at point blank range (against someone as powerful from Malgus no less), and has one of the more impressive TK feats in the era from the book Fatal Alliance.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
out of curiosity: what are satele's force feats? and idc about the kamehameha on malgus, because she never would have been able to use the attack in the first place, had malcolm not saved her
There is also the fact that Satele has only ever shown to use such a powerful attack after absorbing part of a ligtsaber blade.
Originally posted by Master Han
The Malgus we see in Hope would not stand a chance. The Malgus in False Emperor might be a better opponent, except that his abilities are almost totally unknown. I'd say that he's probably not on Anakin's dueling level because there's no reason to assume that he is, because he doesn't demonstrate such feats or accolades, and because he's really lame.
I'd give Malgus a good majority over Anakin TBH. I mean he temporarily punked either the Sith or Republic Strike Team.
Nor is he lame. While I despise TOR, Malgus is an enjoyable character and pretty much the only good thing from that god forsaken game. Honestly, Deceived is one of the Best Star Wars novels out there.
Originally posted by ares834
There is also the fact that Satele has only ever shown to use such a powerful attack after absorbing part of a ligtsaber blade.
There's no evidence suggesting that tutannis gives the user a power up. Now while I somewhat agree that this is the case there's still nothing backing it up.
And the only appearance in which you see Satele fight post-Hope is during Fatal Alliance in which she's not one of the main characters, so it's not as if she even had an opportunity to do it again..