Originally posted by Nephthys
At which point he was still one of the most powerful Sith in the Empire. Your whole point is that Din is one of their best Jedi and sucks so the rest of them must suck. To support this you brought up that despite being one of the Jedi's best, he still lost to Angral who isn't even a Dark Council member. To which I corrected to that he's only not a Council member because of choice, not weakness. So your point is wrong and built off of a falsehood.
One of the most powerful Sith? He was only a Lord and got pwned by Baras. If he was one of the most powerful Sith in the Empire he wouldn't have been so easily dismissed by Darth Baras.
Malgus at the time was still capable of overwhelming Jedi able to collapse two buildings made of transparisteel and duracrete. That Satale overwhelmed him doesn't make her look pathetic, nor does the fact that Malgus outstripped her. It only makes Malgus look like the beast that he is.
What Jedi was that?
That's a rather... ambitious view of things. Yes, tell me how the PT Jedi beat everyone ever, regardless of ability because of a blanket statement of Lucas' that has no regards for individual skills. Thats totally a valid argument that will convince me. Skywalker truly is above every combatant not in the PT-era because of it. That is true.
Also Satele, to my knowledge has never received the most powerful Jedi of her era accolade as Revan did. Which to me at least solidifies that she wasn't really a top tier warrior. High tier? Certainly, but top tier. Doubtful.
Sidious certainly had a high opinion of Malgus. According to him Malgus' 'battlefield feats have never been equaled.' I think you're wrong. I think Malgus would beat the shit out of Skywalker.
Do you have an exact quote? Because his battlefield feats could easily mean his accomplishments on the battlefield, which considering his tactical prowess could be true. Not to mention that that is a hyperbolic statement.
Also Sidious was undoubtedly referring to Malgus end game. The Malgus Satele lost to wasn't even at peak power. I was always under the impression that they grew in power along side each other throughout the war. But if Satele grew weaker and Malgus grew stronger since their encounter on Corellia that's pretty damning evidence that Malgus is not only stronger than Satele, but is stronger by a large margin.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Malgus would beat Anakins face in with his Force powers.
😆
The same Anakin who tanked Dooku's lighting and force push. The same Anakin who got Dooku on his back and started choking him out. Yeah I doubt that.
It took Dooku force choking him and electrocuting him to take him down.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Anakin has better Force feats though.
Lol.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
One of the most powerful Sith? He was only a Lord and got pwned by Baras. If he was one of the most powerful Sith in the Empire he wouldn't have been so easily dismissed by Darth Baras.
He was in charge of the most important military action in Imperial History, what you don't think he was powerful? To be given a position on the Dark Council makes him one of the most powerful Sith, as per canon.
How easily dismissed are we talking about? What happened?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
What Jedi was that?
Its in The Old Republic: The Third Lesson.
Just some random Jedi Knight he encounters after Satale kicks his ass in the Hope trailer. So he was heavily wounded at the time too. The Jedi collapses two buildings on top on him, the rubble of which he holds up before blasting away with enough force for it to hit adjacent buildings. He senses another Jedi in ambush and snaps his neck with the Force before engaging the first guy in lightsaber combat. Eventually he just overwhelms him with his lightning, blasting right through the guys chest.
This bit in question is:
"Malgus fell into the Force, roared, and hounded down the street, his anger lending his speed.
The Jedi held his ground. At twenty meters, the Jedi raised his lightsabers aloft to either side and drew them both down with a flourish.
Too late the rumble of the falling buildings penetrated the haze of Malgus's anger. An avalanche of duracrete and transparisteel crached down on him from either side of the street.
Malgus stood in a pocket under a mountain of rubble, legs bent, the power from his upraised hands preventing several tons of duracrete and steel from crushing him. Dust made his already troubled breath more difficult. He coughed as the words of his father echoed in his mind.
He'd been sloppy, so lost in his need for revenge that he'd failed to properly evaluate the Jedi's power. He's surrendered his reason to bloodlust. But no more. With an effort of will, he contained his anger, controlled it, made it a whetstone against which he sharpened his power. Using the Force, he blew the rubble up and away from him. It fell with a crash on the adjacent buildings. A Force-augmented leap carried him out and over the heap. The Jedi's eyes widened as Malgus hit the street. Malgus sneered and charged."
Originally posted by Intrepid37
No they don't beat everyone ever. But they do beat the plebes who came before them when it comes to lightsaber combat and in Yoda's case, the force.Also Satele, to my knowledge has never received the most powerful Jedi of her era accolade as Revan did. Which to me at least solidifies that she wasn't really a top tier warrior. High tier? Certainly, but top tier. Doubtful.
"Plebes?" Pfft, yeah right.
Well she was powerful enough to be "a cornerstone of the war effort." Its really silly to say she isn't a top tier warrior imo, provided top tier means at least Anakin level.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Do you have an exact quote? Because his battlefield feats could easily mean his accomplishments on the battlefield, which considering his tactical prowess could be true. Not to mention that that is a hyperbolic statement.Also Sidious was undoubtedly referring to Malgus end game. The Malgus Satele lost to wasn't even at peak power. I was always under the impression that they grew in power along side each other throughout the war. But if Satele grew weaker and Malgus grew stronger since their encounter on Corellia that's pretty damning evidence that Malgus is not only stronger than Satele, but is stronger by a large margin.
That is the exact quote. "Malgus submitted utterly to the darkside, and doing so made him an exemplary warrior. His battlefield feats have never been duplicated." Yes its hyperbole, but surely Palpatine at least has Anakins battlefield feats to compare. 😉
I'm not so sure, since Malgus isn't known to have actually been on a battlefield after the war. During the Cold War he expands the Empire into the Unknown regions and theres no mention of him doing any actual fighting until the Strike Team comes for him.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
😆The same Anakin who tanked Dooku's lighting and force push. The same Anakin who got Dooku on his back and started choking him out. Yeah I doubt that.
It took Dooku force choking him and electrocuting him to take him down.
Yes, the same Anakin. Y'all need to stop underestimating Malgus. The man is a Force Beast.
Originally posted by Nephthys
My recollection is of you opining that artistic differences should be examined and exaggerations in regards to the CWC, TFU and Swtor abilities should be downplayed in consideration compared to more standard depictions.
And there again, we're back to the difference being that when I call for the consideration of artistic liberty and creative variation, I do so for the entirety of the EU, not just for a specific era.
It's a talent that separates me from the SWTOR camp, who can't win a debate without spamming the discussion with a hailstorm of double standards.
Originally posted by Nephthys
This isn't what I meant though, which is that swtor-era feats get downplayed just as much as movie-era feats. And everyone brings up the clone wars media as being exaggerated from time to time. It isn't just the swtor supporters doing it, Master Han mentioned it just a week ago.
SWTOR-era feats aren't downplayed as much as movie-era feats. And when they are "downplayed," it's in response to a SWTOR fanboy taking the first shot.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He was in charge of the most important military action in Imperial History, what you don't think he was powerful? To be given a position on the Dark Council makes him one of the most powerful Sith, as per canon.
Having high political power does not= having raw power. Vowrawn was one of the most influential members of the Dark Council but isn't that great in a fight.
How easily dismissed are we talking about? What happened?
Angral attacked Baras, Baras floors him with Force Lightning. Angral stands the **** down like the ***** he is.
"Angral later attacked Darth Baras, after the latter had consulted the Dark Council, only to be quickly overpowered."
Its in The Old Republic: The Third Lesson.Just some random Jedi Knight he encounters after Satale kicks his ass in the Hope trailer. So he was heavily wounded at the time too. The Jedi collapses two buildings on top on him, the rubble of which he holds up before blasting away with enough force for it to hit adjacent buildings. He senses another Jedi in ambush and snaps his neck with the Force before engaging the first guy in lightsaber combat. Eventually he just overwhelms him with his lightning, blasting right through the guys chest.
This bit in question is:
"Malgus fell into the Force, roared, and hounded down the street, his anger lending his speed.
The Jedi held his ground. At twenty meters, the Jedi raised his lightsabers aloft to either side and drew them both down with a flourish.
Too late the rumble of the falling buildings penetrated the haze of Malgus's anger. An avalanche of duracrete and transparisteel crached down on him from either side of the street.
Malgus stood in a pocket under a mountain of rubble, legs bent, the power from his upraised hands preventing several tons of duracrete and steel from crushing him. Dust made his already troubled breath more difficult. He coughed as the words of his father echoed in his mind.
He'd been sloppy, so lost in his need for revenge that he'd failed to properly evaluate the Jedi's power. He's surrendered his reason to bloodlust. But no more. With an effort of will, he contained his anger, controlled it, made it a whetstone against which he sharpened his power. Using the Force, he blew the rubble up and away from him. It fell with a crash on the adjacent buildings. A Force-augmented leap carried him out and over the heap. The Jedi's eyes widened as Malgus hit the street. Malgus sneered and charged."
Pretty impressive stuff there. Although the size and structural stability of these buildings are in question.
"Plebes?" Pfft, yeah right.Well she was powerful enough to be "a cornerstone of the war effort." Its really silly to say she isn't a top tier warrior imo, provided top tier means at least Anakin level.
Considering she was likely capable of battle meditation that can mean more than one thing.
That is the exact quote. "Malgus submitted utterly to the darkside, and doing so made him an exemplary warrior. His battlefield feats have never been duplicated." Yes its hyperbole, but surely Palpatine at least has Anakins battlefield feats to compare. 😉
Well they've never been duplicated doesn't mean that there is nothing comparable. Hell even in his era Darth Marr was known for routing entire armies.
I'm not so sure, since Malgus isn't known to have actually been on a battlefield after the war. During the Cold War he expands the Empire into the Unknown regions and theres no mention of him doing any actual fighting until the Strike Team comes for him.
Did he not lead the assault on the foundry?
Yes, the same Anakin. Y'all need to stop underestimating Malgus. The man is a Force Beast.
So's Dooku. That didn't help him once Anakin was in the zone.
IIRC, Anakin brought down a building in an underwater city on Mon calamari during TCW.
It's been so long since I seen the episode, but I do believe it took some concentration on Anakin's part. But considering that the building was underwater, wouldn't that be more impressive than toppling a building on land?
Let me be a dick here, for a moment.
In the Hope trailer, it takes Satele Shan quite a while to snap a tree trunk. Meanwhile, Obi Wan snaps durasteel support structures against Grievous with even more casual ease, and Anakin = Obi Wan in telekinesis. 😉
But, rather bizarre claims that Satele Shan has already peaked by Hope aside (which would cast doubts on her overall Force potential), I would give Anakin a massive advantage in the lightsaber duel simply because this Shan hasn't demonstrated combat prowess on his level; the same Malgus that almost kills her in Hope is later overwhelmed by a pissed off Jedi empath of no particularly noted exceptional power in the Deceived novel.
Basically, Satele Shan and Malgus are respectively powerful combatants by this time, but neither are yet occupying the "top dogs" spots that Anakin has by RotS, being third most powerful Jedi in the Order. Indeed, there's not much to suggest that Satele Shan is above even AotC Anakin by this point.
And Satele Shan's energy blasts may look stylish, but she doesn't bother using them against Malgus until she's had an obvious amount of prep time; clearly, they aren't as effective as you'd hope against a trained and powerful enemy, hence why I think Anakin could close the distance and take a victory in the all-out.
Originally posted by Master Han
and Anakin = Obi Wan in telekinesis. 😉
Nah Anakin's TK is considerably more powerful than Kenobi's.
If nothing else he's proven in TCW that he can at the very least tank Force Attacks much better than Kenobi can. But he also happens to have far superior Tk lifting and other offensive feats.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Nah Anakin's TK is considerably more powerful than Kenobi's.If nothing else he's proven in TCW that he can at the very least tank Force Attacks much better than Kenobi can. But he also happens to have far superior Tk lifting and other offensive feats.
How about their push-o-war in RotS?
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
No it doesn't settle G-canon ground realities if G-canon sources acknowledge it as the official pre-cursor to Episode III.
1. As per the feat you cited, Anakin is stronger then Yoda
2. As per the feat you cited, Anakin should have humiliated Obi-Wan with his Force abilities but this didn't happen.
Therefore, I feel inclined to regard this feat as an example of WIS or AIS because it is not coherent with the holistic picture of Anakin's abilities in the mythos.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Nope found it in another thread. It's a part of the CWs cartoons that went along with the TV show.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
You're wrong. Anakin is at the height of his power in ROTS as per George Lucas.
Situation is much more complicated for us fans unfortunately because we are expected to respect canon in its entirety and Star Wars related works are filled with inconsistencies and stylistic differences.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Also your double standard here is hilarious. By your own bullshit about ground realities (something that you made up) Vader doesn't have superior TK to Anakin because in the movies he's never shown to move anything larger than a large pot.
TOP TIER: Sidious; Yoda; Mace
Hint 1: "You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor"
Hint 2: Yoda made it clear that Obi-Wan was no match for Sidious but he stood a chance against Anakin in Episode III.
Hint 3: Episode II and III established that Yoda and Mace outclassed Dooku.
Therefore, we are left with this:-
HIGH TIER: Dooku; Anakin; Obi-Wan; Maul
In G-canon; cybernetic Vader IS actually inferior incarnation of Anakin, and this is true to vision of Mr. Lucas.
EU drifts apart from vision of Mr. Lucas however; in EU, cybernetic Vader is hyped to extreme levels in the context of his Force abilities. Mr. Lucas regard Sidious as the BIG THING among his creations but EU attempts to give Vader comparable treatment which conflicts with the vision of Mr. Lucas (Mr. Lucas did reveal that Anakin possessed the potential to surpass all mortal Force-users but he never implied or claimed that Anakin actually surpassed or rivaled Yoda, Mace and Sidious, as of RoTS).
End result of these inconsistent depictions is poor and confusing character development of Vader with respect to his power progression arc. In some aspects, Anakin seems to be unstoppable juggernaut; and then in some aspects, Anakin seems to have realistic limitations.
So how should we use Anakin in debates? Consider his best depictions only and ignore all other stuff?
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Wrong again. Plot Induced Stupidity as well as Character Induced Stupidity is the source of pretty much all of this. It's a writing trope where characters do not use their full power all the time. For example, in AOTCs Yoda should have been able to pull Dooku's shuttle back and save Kenobi and Skywalker at the same time. But he didn't.
Analogy: When Anakin fought Obi-Wan, the former was damn serious about killing the latter. In this scenario;
Q1. Anakin wouldn't do his best to overcome his opponent?
Q2. Why would Anakin deliberately prolong the duel?
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As per your logic, which source should we accuse of PIS? G-canon Episode II or C-canon CW Cartoons?
Due to these issues, I originally stressed in this debate that a fair comparison between Satele and Anakin is not possible since Anakin benefits from WIS or AIS in low budget mediums but Satele haven't been explored in such mediums. However, a comparison is possible between these two characters in some mediums, and as per revelations in these mediums, Satele is superior to Anakin.
Still, here is an attempt from me to reach middle-ground in this debate:
It can be argued that Satele have relatively superior understanding of the ways of the Force then Anakin and this is why she can use her Force abilities more effectively then Anakin and therefore have advantage over him. Anakin is also capable of performing impressive actions with his Force abilities but he is not able to channel his Force abilities as effortlessly on average as Satele can (a shortcoming in his understanding of the ways of the Force) and is therefore disadvantaged.
Fair enough?
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
No I really don't. I hate ROTS Anakin and pretty much any incarnation of Skywalker played by Hayden Christensen. As a character Satele on the other hand is one of my favorites. Also you just just admitted to going out of your way to argue in favor of characters you like more. This completely devalues your argument to a simple.
"nuh-uh I like Satele more so she wins.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
No feats wise Galen doesn't waste Vader because Vader has the feat of being able to keep up with him at least somewhat. It's called powerscaling sweetheart. Try and use it more often.
Thanks for using humor by the way! You lighten up the mood. 🙂
Vader certainly have his share of impressive feats but Galen set the bar very high by influencing the movement of an Imperial Destroyer.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
You think Galen is a superior swordsman to Dooku?
You think that cybernetic Vader is superior duelist then Dooku?
In natural form, Anakin became superior duelist then Dooku; but in cybernetic form, I am not sure.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
He has
Wut?
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Uhhh no its a hell of a lot more than "several tons". More like several dozen tons.
This Jet rivals is comparable in size:-
Its weight is 5,293 kg (when empty).
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Why? He's faster and stronger than Malgus.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
It's TK. Not apples and oranges. If Skywaker can move an object weighing in at several hundred tons, he can apply that power to a force push.
With close inspection, it seems that the feat which you cited indicates that Anakin influenced the movement of a large flying object with his Force abilities in the same fashion as Galen did with an Imperial Destroyer which is considerably bigger then this large flying object. Comparatively, Galen's feat is vastly superior. Still, we haven't seen both Anakin and Galen being able to channel such level of power in their Force push during combat situations.
So are you willing to accept that Galen shits on Anakin (RoTS)?
I am no expert on the mysteries of the Force but I advice caution in regard to this subject.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Yes a mountain of rubble is a commonly used hyperbole. No it isn't.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
So?
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
He got curbstomped by Angral, lost to that dude on Tython who the HoT after quickly defeated.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I was talking about during the Cold War. Revan, HoT, and the Barsen'thor don't become powerhouses until after that.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Yes. I get it. I'm telling you its bullshit. Characters feats do not directly conflict with the movies, and so they are still canon. The next time you argue a point by dismissing a canon source I'll consider it a concession by you.
You didn't get it unfortunately. The feats do not contradict until they exceed established norms or rules.
As per ground realities of G-canon, Anakin is not in the league of Yoda, Mace and Sidious and yet he have relatively more impressive showing under his belt. This is the end result of disrespecting continuity; this results in misrepresentation and confusion.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Kao is a better duelist than Dooku?Lol.
Originally posted by ares834
😂
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Anakin would crush Malgus.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
In power I did. Not as a combatant in general.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Anakin has better Force feats though.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
The scans Mizukage_Yoda posted on the first page is a better feat than collapsing two buildings.
We do not have visual depictions of the two buildings in question. But if those structures were BIG, than...
Originally posted by Master Han
SW legend, this fight involves Satele Shan as a Jedi knight, who was an intervention away from getting killed by a significantly weaker Malgus than the one that would eventually be praised by Sidious.
- which indicates that a particular incarnation of Maglus is under consideration.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
IIRC, Anakin brought down a building in an underwater city on Mon calamari during TCW.It's been so long since I seen the episode, but I do believe it took some concentration on Anakin's part. But considering that the building was underwater, wouldn't that be more impressive than toppling a building on land?
He does it by taking out a single support structure and yeah it took a lot of concentration on his part. I wouldn't say its more impressive than taking one down on land considering all he does is break some metal rods.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Having high political power does not= having raw power. Vowrawn was one of the most influential members of the Dark Council but isn't that great in a fight.
"Each is among the most powerful Sith in the galaxy." Numerous times are the Dark Council referred to as the most powerful Sith in the Empire. Vowrawn has been a Dark Council member for decades, when even being a Darth is described as requiring 'considerable power' and is known for his 'passionate, almost hedonistic pursuit of challenge' and revels in 'the game of conquest and Sith power plays, driven to euphoria by all the rich details of his favorite sport.'
The man can't be a weakling.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Angral attacked Baras, Baras floors him with Force Lightning. Angral stands the **** down like the ***** he is.
"Angral later attacked Darth Baras, after the latter had consulted the Dark Council, only to be quickly overpowered."
That seems pretty impressive for Baras. Regardless I still think Angral is not the punk you are making him out to be. Throughout Deception he constantly shits on Malgus to his face, insults Malgus' lover right to his face and threatens him with Malgus backing down. I'm just saying, he's one of the most celebrated warlords in Imperial history for a reason. Vitiate also calls him useful.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Pretty impressive stuff there. Although the size and structural stability of these buildings are in question.
The buildings would have to be large in order to collapse on top of Malgus when he's in the middle of the street. Gotta be at least 3 stories judging by the buildings and street outside my window. Also it was described as a mountain of rubble, and even after Malgus blasted the rubble on top of him away he needed to Force jump out of the wreckage.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Considering she was likely capable of battle meditation that can mean more than one thing.
I'm almost certain that Satale never realised Battle Meditation. At least, thats what Wookieepedia says. Apparantly her master suspected she had it, but that was never confirmed.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Well they've never been duplicated doesn't mean that there is nothing comparable. Hell even in his era Darth Marr was known for routing entire armies.
None the less it is heavy praise. It suggests that the things Malgus was capable of doing in battle haven't been equaled.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Did he not lead the assault on the foundry?
I don't know. I haven't done Flashpoints. :I
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
So's Dooku. That didn't help him once Anakin was in the zone.
This isn't Anakin in teh zone though. Plus as I showed in other threads, Malgus' Force powers are shown to be more powerful in regards to combat destruction than Dooku's have. His lightning can burn through Jedi's chests and killed 3 Jedi with a single lightning blast, his force pushes can kill and shatter bones, he's shattered huge pillars with his force screams and he's has his mighty Force Maelstrom.
Originally posted by Master Han
How about their push-o-war in RotS?
Now that's the real mystery. Could be Skywalker being mentally unstable and not able to focus properly. But I don't know that for sure.
All I do know is that Kenobi gets completely force stomped by Dooku in ROTS, whilst Skywalker has consistently tanked all Dooku's force attacks in TCW (by tanked I don't mean he just stands there and doesn't notice it. I mean he gets pushed back and hit a lot, but seems to be able to take it and carry on fighting).
I also know Skywalker has much more impressive Tk feats.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDLike he crushed Obi-Wan?
More like the way he crushed Count Dooku.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What is the benefit of such feats if Anakin haven't managed to channel such level of power during combat situations?
He has:
He killed Durge when he started controlling him with TK- Obsession.
He's battered Ventress by telekinetically squashing her in cables which she was helpless to release herself from- Dreadnaughts of Rendilli.
He force choked Ventress and she again seemed defenseless to free herself from his hold.- Last episdoe of TCW.
He even once temporarily staggered Dooku with Tk as early in the clone wars as TCW movie.
Not to mention his continuous tanking of all Dooku's force attacks, and Dooku himself admitting in their final fight that his Knowledge of the Force was a Joke next to Skywalker. This is the same Dooku whom Yoda calls the Temple's "Most Learned in the Ways of the Force."
Edit- Oh and the biggest one: He overpowered the Son and Daughter together. Of course that's a clear one-off Uber-Zone feat.
Oh, and btw, anyone pointing out that Malgus failed to kill Malcom with his lightning in the 'Hope' trailer: Havoc Squads armor is insulated and has cortosis plating. I guess Malgus should have aimed for the face. 😐
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Kao's blade-work is superior.
No it isn't. 😬
Originally posted by Master Han
Let me be a dick here, for a moment.In the Hope trailer, it takes Satele Shan quite a while to snap a tree trunk. Meanwhile, Obi Wan snaps durasteel support structures against Grievous with even more casual ease, and Anakin = Obi Wan in telekinesis. 😉
When was this?
Plus Satele has shattered a blast door with a seemingly casual one-handed force push:
Blast door >>> support structures.
Originally posted by Master Han
But, rather bizarre claims that Satele Shan has already peaked by Hope aside (which would cast doubts on her overall Force potential), I would give Anakin a massive advantage in the lightsaber duel simply because this Shan hasn't demonstrated combat prowess on his level; the same Malgus that almost kills her in Hope is later overwhelmed by a pissed off Jedi empath of no particularly noted exceptional power in the Deceived novel.
You mean Aryn? She's shown to be pretty damn powerful bro, putting up more of a fight then her master did.
As for Satele, well her first master was the Orders battlemaster and in the Hope trailer she was shown to be able to literally run through Sith Warriors. In a rather impressive bit of speed and skill when she first shows up, she blasts 3 Sith into the air and manages to jump and kill them all in about a second.
Originally posted by Master Han
Basically, Satele Shan and Malgus are respectively powerful combatants by this time, but neither are yet occupying the "top dogs" spots that Anakin has by RotS, being third most powerful Jedi in the Order. Indeed, there's not much to suggest that Satele Shan is above even AotC Anakin by this point.And Satele Shan's energy blasts may look stylish, but she doesn't bother using them against Malgus until she's had an obvious amount of prep time; clearly, they aren't as effective as you'd hope against a trained and powerful enemy, hence why I think Anakin could close the distance and take a victory in the all-out.
Lol, not even above AotC Anakin at this point. She blocked a lightsaber with her bare hands!
You seem to forget that the only reason she had sufficient prep time was because she blew him away and kept up the force while she charged up the blast, showing remarkable skill and power. Personally I don't see Anakin closing the distance when Malgus couldn't in the face of her TK.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He has:He killed Durge when he started controlling him with TK- Obsession.
He's battered Ventress by telekinetically squashing her in cables which she was helpless to release herself from- Dreadnaughts of Rendilli.
He force choked Ventress and she again seemed defenseless to free herself from his hold.- Last episdoe of TCW.
Not sure about the first one, but with the last two he was extremely pissed off.