PoD Bane runs the gauntlet

Originally posted by ares834
Yet, he is still referring to the PT Jedi as the "prime of the Jedi" not merely better then what we see in the OT.

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Originally posted by ares834
Where does he mention Jedi arts? In that scene around 7:00 he is talking about full scale battles not dueling.

He doesn't.

Qui-Gon refers to lightsaber combat as the Jedi arts in TPM.

The only applicable definitions of "golden age" and "heyday" to this timeframe would have to refer to power. It makes sense, therefore, that in the "golden age," "heyday," and/or "prime" of the Jedi... the specifically-named Jedi arts would be at their peak, no?

Well, he also says that Jedi are negotiators.

Neph and co., you're choosing a losing and temporary defense by pulling the "he's just referring to full scale battles" gig. There are, to my knowledge, at least two other references to the Jedi' being in their prime exclusively in the context of 1 vs. 1 or 1 vs. 2 lightsaber duels.

I'm too lazy to find them now. But they're there. You'll just have to take my word for it. *waves hand*

No.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well, he also says that Jedi are negotiators.

Jedi are lots of things. But I wouldn't cite galactic war of unprecedented magnitude as the fruit of successful Jedi negotiation.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Jedi are lots of things. But I wouldn't cite galactic war of unprecedented magnitude as the fruit of successful Jedi negotiation.

Owing to the corruption of the Sith, not the failure of the Jedi. They had peace for 1000 years before then.

Edit: BLUH, I thought this whole discussion was done! >_<

Lucas have explicitly stated once that he doesn't represents EU and he doesn't bothers much with EU either. He differentiates his works from EU; he regards EU as a parallel universe to that of his.

Lucas is possibly trying to convey that the Jedi (at their prime) are like organized armies. Within G-canon works, Episode II represents the first time when the Jedi prepared themselves to go all-out against the opposition in organized fashion. (Lucas was excited to reveal this facet of the Jedi Order)

Since Lucas's involvement in EU is almost non-existent, he may not have noticed that the Jedi Order have been very well organized and structured (as depicted in Episode II) even in the past. Even if Lucas have made this observation, why would he bother to give a remark?

Keep in mind that canon writing reveals that the Jedi Order during Ro2 timeline grew "out of touch."

Neph: So George Lucas, in making a Prequel Trilogy dedicated in no small part to detailing the corruption and rigidity of the Jedi Order, really intended to say, when he refers in multiple instances to the Jedi in their "golden age", "prime" and "heyday", while talking about lightsaber duels and the intensity of action scenes, to suggest that they are diplomatic geniuses? 🤣 🤣

Hurry up, you're running out of straws to grasp.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Owing to the corruption of the Sith, not the failure of the Jedi.

ermm

This is one of your dumber remarks and that's saying something, given your years and years of saying really dumb things.

The success of the Sith was the result of the failure of the Jedi and vice versa. You can't have one without the other, they're inextricably linked.

Originally posted by Nephthys
They had peace for 1000 years before then.

And had these films taken place in those thousand years of peace, I might agree.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
It's not all that obvious, actually. Though I'd prolly give Bane the edge. BTW, did you get my scan you asked for about Anoon Bondara? It's on one of the previous pages.

Thanks bro for showing me the scan man. I agree Qui Gon is underrated.

Yw

Originally posted by Master Han
Neph: So George Lucas, in making a Prequel Trilogy dedicated in no small part to detailing the [b]corruption and rigidity of the Jedi Order, really intended to say, when he refers in multiple instances to the Jedi in their "golden age", "prime" and "heyday", while talking about lightsaber duels and the intensity of action scenes, to suggest that they are diplomatic geniuses? 🤣 🤣

Hurry up, you're running out of straws to grasp. [/B]

Did I say that? What I pointed out was that Lucas envisioned Jedi to be more akin to negotiators than warriors, calling into question whether he'd really see them as in their prime when they're at their best in terms of combat ability, since he specifically highlights that as a secondary function. Personally I just think that he was talking about them as being in their height of importance and significance. Or he was just using the phrase flippantly again. Though yes, I think that as a peacekeeping organisation it could also be a factor that they'd protected peace for a thousand years.

Theres nothing indicating he was talking about lightsaber dueling or ****all that would make the PT-era Jedi intrinsically superior to those of other eras.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Theres nothing indicating he was talking about lightsaber dueling or ****all that would make the PT-era Jedi intrinsically superior to those of other eras.

Except that the scenes were in remark to fight choreography.

I'm curious, is your affliction of willful contextual ignorance present in all aspects of life or just when it comes to debating Star Wars?

Lucas is referring to something that the Jedi of the era are really, really good at. Like, so good as to be better than they had been in any other moment in their history.

Ignoring, generously, that he clearly makes these comments interposed between lightsaber choreography and comments about intense action sequences, were the Jedi of the PT good at politics? Good at diplomacy? Good at doing the right thing?

Nope, not at all. “Height of their importance and significance”? Give me a break…

He’s referring to their combat prowess.

Thank you for the nice concession Tempest! My totally-huge penis will be ready to sink into your cheeks as soon as I'm done counting all my money.

Originally posted by ares834
Yet, he is still referring to the PT Jedi as the "prime of the Jedi" not merely better then what we see in the OT.

But the point he is essentially making is one of, for various reasons how deficient the few Jedi that we see in the OT were, and how they were poor representations of what the Jedi were like of old (in this case the only Jedi of old he would be interested in would be the Jedi we see in the PT). He isn't making a real point of the PT Jedi being better than other orders of Jedi from time periods that are basically irrelevant from his pespective.

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It is apparent that Neph would very much prefer not to pursue this discussion, but he's committed past reason. He simply must stifle Lucas's commentary, otherwise he'll be forced to confront SWTOR's insignificance in the grand scheme of things.

It's amusing to watch.

Originally posted by Master Han
Neph and co.

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Buddy I think you've got your master and padawan mixed up there.

Originally posted by ?YLLAER
But the point he is essentially making is one of, for various reasons how deficient the few Jedi that we see in the OT were, and how they were poor representations of what the Jedi were like of old (in this case the only Jedi of old he would be interested in would be the Jedi we see in the PT). He isn't making a real point of the PT Jedi being better than other orders of Jedi from time periods that are basically irrelevant from his pespective.

...that isn't what "golden age" means. 🙄 Why are you arbitrarily injecting convoluted interpretations of very simplistic quotes that just happen to support your preference?