Ok, so fighting in large groups was something that George says we never seen before in the previous movies, which would include TPM, which is basically the same era as the PT era, so logically he doesn't refer to it as the "heyday" and "golden age" just because we finally get to see them fight in large groups.
That doesn't logically follow at all.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I'm at work right now, so I'm not thinking clearly. I'll watch the full video later tonight. TBH, right now Lucas statement, from what Neph posted, doesn't make much sense to me right now.
I agree. Its just a silly, off-hand remark from Lucas, without exploring what he means by heyday or golden age. Its basically hyperbole, or a turn of phrase.
As I said though, theres nothing linking it to individual combat ability or dueling skills other than the agenda of certain posters.
Originally posted by Nephthys
What force defenses? They're nightsisters, how do you know they have any defense against force lightning?
LOL wut? They can use Force lightning themselves, they can use telekinesis themselves, but in all their years of existence, the nightsisters never bothered figuring out how to defend against their own techniques? 😉
Also blast bolts can't vaporize durasteel, get outta here!
Except that they clearly do, in the Original Trilogy.
Proof that Obi-Wan is one of the orders best duelists in AotC? He's an above average/high-level Jedi Master at best. He hasn't shown any particular strength with the Force at all at that point, nor done anything impressive in terms of dueling.
Dooku claims that Yoda holds him in "such high esteem" in the context of lightsaber dueling.
AotC Obi-Wan is not in the upper 0.1%. 😬
Really? How many duelists out of 10,000 does Yoda hold in "such high esteem"?
As you say, Qordis is an average to above average Sith Lord, while AotC Obi-Wan is an above average to high Jedi Master. He isn't "far" above him.
Yes, he is. Obi Wan is already an esteemed duelist by AotC. It's not as if he suddenly becomes important somewhere arbitrarily during the Clone Wars. Qordis has done nothing of any importance.
Isn't being intimately familiar with his techniques a form of technical mastery? Technically? 😉
Semantics aside, that Bane can memorize the blademaster's movements does nothing to suggest that his technical mastery of the blade rival's Dooku's.
And RotS suggests that Obi-Wan is too fast for Dooku to blitz. Obi-Wan had no problems with Greivous' speed, which he seems to regard as faster than Dooku's.
OK, then...so Obi Wan is really skilled, and on Dooku's level? Is this supposed to help your case?
So you don't think Dooku would stomp Bane? Thats what I thought you were implying after all.
I'd say Bane would do about as well against him as Anakin in AotC.
He is way the **** superior in lightning. Dooku's lightning is pussy-level bro.
Hence why he could disarm three nightsisters while drugged. Did I point out that Obi Wan deflected said lightning effortlessly? Sort of puts a dent in your "he's nothing impressive!" mantra, doesn't it?
I doubt it. Neb's posts may seem to be ridiculous, but he is right about Bane's lightsaber mastery and learning rate.
Who cares? Yippee, he can learn really quickly. Fast forward 10 years, and he can defeat Dooku. Too bad that he's only had maybe a year at this point, and thus falls hard to one of the greatest duelists to ever live.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Very bad.But it does seem as if he is trying to link those terms to combat ability, though.
I gotta agree with Neph in this case. It seems he is referring not to combat but rather numbers in this case.
However, I seem to recall another where he mentions the "prime of the Jedi" and he is referring to combat. Think it was in some behind the scenes for TPM.
Originally posted by ares834
I gotta agree with Neph in this case. It seems he is referring not to combat but rather numbers in this case.However, I seem to recall another where he mentions the "prime of the Jedi" and he is referring to combat. Think it was in some behind the scenes for TPM.
Lame.
What of my incontrovertible argument that, in the "heyday," "the golden age of the Jedi," the "Jedi arts" would be at their peak?
Can't beat that. biscuits
He says it here:
It's pretty clear that he's simply making a distinction between the Jedi of the PT and the OT.
Yet, he is still referring to the PT Jedi as the "prime of the Jedi" not merely better then what we see in the OT.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Lame.What of my incontrovertible argument that, in the "heyday," "the golden age of the Jedi," the "Jedi arts" would be at their peak?
Can't beat that. biscuits
Where does he mention Jedi arts? In that scene around 7:00 he is talking about full scale battles not dueling.