If RotS Anakin is a 100...

...how would various lightsaber combatants score in terms of overall dueling capability (not just technical skill)?

Some of my list is well thought out. Some of it is totally arbitrary.

Luke Skywalker - 170
Yoda - 160
Sidious (RotS) - 155
Caedus - 145
Mace Windu - 125
Dooku - 120
Revan - 120
Darth Bane - 110
Exar Kun - 100
Darth Malgus - 100
Tulak Hord - 100
Anakin - 100
Obi Wan - 80
Kas'im - 80
Darth Maul (TPM) - 70
Kit Fisto - 70
Cin Drallig - 60
Agen Kolar - 60
Qui Gon (TPM) - 60
Darth Vader - 60
General Grievous - 55
Darth Nyriss - 50
Obi Wan (AotC) - 40
Average Jedi Master: 20
Vitiate: 5

I don't get it. How's Dooku above Skywalker in dueling as of ROTS?

Also in pure Fencing I personally wouldn't put such a large gap Between ROTS Anakin and ROTS Sidious/Yoda.

But it's funny where you've put Vitiate 😂

how exactly is revan a 120? just curious, cuz he doesnt have alot of canonically impressive feats (the most impressive one i can think of is him killing an imp guard on a nexus)

Those imp guards are beastly bro. estahuh

Though yeah, Revans not that great, lol.

Revan put down that Imperial Guard in very impressive manner (in like a few steps). Another one of his impressive showings is that he slew two large Terentateks singlehandedly in the Tomb of Naga Sadow. Also, he have lot of kills under his belt and much of that is due to his skills with a lightsaber.

still don't see how that puts him on equal footing with dooku

Originally posted by Master Han
Luke Skywalker - 165
Yoda - 160
Sidious (RotS) - 155
Caedus - 145
Mace Windu - 125
Dooku - 120
Darth Bane - 120
Exar Kun - 100
Darth Malgus - 100
Tulak Hord - 100
Anakin - 100
Revan - 100
Kas'im - 95
Obi Wan - 90
Raskta Lsu - 85
Darth Maul (TPM) - 80
Agen Kolar - 75
Kit Fisto - 75
Qui Gon (TPM) - 75
Cin Drallig - 70
Darth Vader - 70
Luke Skywalker (RotJ) - 70
General Grievous - 70
Obi Wan (AotC) - 60
Darth Nyriss - 40
Luke Skywalker (ESB) - 40
Obi Wan (TPM) - 30
Lord Scourge: 30
Average Jedi Master (PT): 20
Johun Othone: 10
Vitiate: 1 [/B]

^updated

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I don't get it. How's Dooku above Skywalker in dueling as of ROTS?

Before Anakin goes "in teh zone", Dooku is still above him, hence why he can kick him away while simultaneously dispatching Kenobi.

Also in pure Fencing I personally wouldn't put such a large gap Between ROTS Anakin and ROTS Sidious/Yoda.

Matthew Stover describes the Windu vs. Palpatine fight as their moving too fast for Anakin to follow, and although that description may not be entirely canon, due to exaggerated speed descriptions and the film's interpretation of Anakin's time of arrival, it's clear that there's still a significantly gap between Anakin and the Big Two at this point. Hence why Yoda sent Obi Wan to kill Vader but did not feel he could take on Palpatine.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
how exactly is revan a 120? just curious, cuz he doesnt have alot of canonically impressive feats (the most impressive one i can think of is him killing an imp guard on a nexus)

Yeah, I just put him there...he's described as an impressive lightsaber duelist, and I just assumed that his skills would be proportional to his Force abilities, which apparently surpass those of Nihilus. But I moved him down to RotS Anakin's level.

I don't get any of it...the whole thing is wrong...

anakin > bane in dueling i believe

Originally posted by Master Han
Before Anakin goes "in teh zone", Dooku is still above him, hence why he can kick him away while simultaneously dispatching Kenobi.

That argument would work 5 years ago. But not now since Skywalker has fought Dooku 3 times in TCW and has consistently stalemated him.

Yes Dooku is still fully capable of getting his Lethal licks in, but so is Skywalker.

So going by average showings it can really go either way even without Skywalker being all Zoned Out.

Originally posted by Master Han
Matthew Stover describes the Windu vs. Palpatine fight as their moving too fast for Anakin to follow, and although that description may not be entirely canon, due to exaggerated speed descriptions and the film's interpretation of Anakin's time of arrival, it's clear that there's still a significantly gap between Anakin and the Big Two at this point.

Yeah I have a few issues with things like that. Like what Force users "see" shouldn't be that relevant. I doubt they literally see the Blaster bolts they deflect as they are coming at them("Your eyes can deceive you. Don't trust them). And of course Blaster bolts move faster than Sidious. Also Dooku sees Kenobi vanish when he leaps because he's so fast in the ROTS Novel as well.

Still I'm sure Yoda/Sidious are faster(and better) than "Normal" ROTS Skywalker. But if he does Zone out, then I doubt there would be much of a gap at all (in Sabers at least).

Originally posted by Master Han
Hence why Yoda sent Obi Wan to kill Vader but did not feel he could take on Palpatine.

Well that's not really a fair argument, considering if that was Dooku instead of Palpatine, then Yoda would have said the same thing.

Besides Palpatine could most likely just TK Kenobi and Skywalker together (just like he did to Maul and Opress). But since this discussion here is Sabers only that's all irrelevant.

In Sabers by ROTS(even a year or so before ROTS), there's really no case left for Dooku to be superior to Skywalker Imho.

actually, in one or two of those episodes, he woulda beaten dooku in a saber contest, had dooku not started using lightning and what not.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
actually, in one or two of those episodes, he woulda beaten dooku in a saber contest, had dooku not started using lightning and what not.

Yep, he's actually been consistently stalemating Dooku in the All Out, not just Sabers.

Dooku's superior Force Powers give him the edge at most.

Recently revealed encounters between Anakin and Dooku sort of contradict Anakin's whole "our powers have doubled since the last time we met" speech, and Dooku's obvious confidence. Perhaps he was holding back in TCW?

More likely Anakin's a shithead who overestimates himself.

Except Anakin was right...

The show f*cked a lot up, whadayawant?

Originally posted by Master Han
Recently revealed encounters between Anakin and Dooku sort of contradict Anakin's whole "our powers have doubled since the last time we met" speech,

Well apart from Skywalker being arrogant, you've answered this part yourself here:

Originally posted by Master Han
Except Anakin was right...

Originally posted by Master Han
and Dooku's obvious confidence. Perhaps he was holding back in TCW?

As for this, it doesn't seem like he was holding back. Dooku clearly goes for a killing blow in TCW movie when Skywalker is floored and disarmed. And even that early on in TCW he was already close to being on par with Dooku in Sabers.

My guess is by ROTS Dooku was still confident he could deal with Skywalker with his Force Powers. Since their last encounter ended with Dooku Force Blasting Skywalker away (although he wasn't necessarily defeated).

That's why I say even if Skywalker is not "In The Zone" by late CW/ROTS he's pretty much on par with Dooku in an all out, although Dooku's Force Powers might still give him the edge.

But in Pure Sabers there's honestly no case anymore for Dooku to be above Skywalker(Zoned or not).

Originally posted by Master Han
Except Anakin was right...

Er, **** no he isn't. His powers did not 'double', which is the part thats obviously exaggeration. He meets up with Dooku only a short time before RotS, in Labyrinth of Evil, making it retarded that he'd make that claim but whatever.

Its just a case of the EU and CW writers not being able to resist putting Anakin and Dooku against each other like the hacks that they are, making that line retroactively retarded and nonsensical.

yeah, skywalker is definitely one of the top five duelists of the PT era, quite on par with dooku, mace, but of course, not yoda or sidious