Said the same guy who wanted to kill Sidious mercilessly.
But whatever, I just utilized Windu as an example. Maybe an erroneous example, but the point is that a Jedi that's more warrior-like would've done things differently [and better, imo] when fighting dangerous enemies who threaten the whole galaxy.
Originally posted by Petrus
Said the same guy who wanted to kill Sidious mercilessly.
Originally posted by Petrus
But whatever, I just utilized Windu as an example. Maybe an erroneous example, but the point is that a Jedi that's more warrior-like would've done things differently [and better, imo] when fighting dangerous enemies who threaten the whole galaxy.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No tha-thats why they were out of touch. They didn't tolerate those things, they were just unaware of or completely impotent to deal with them.
Oh no! They were quite aware of all those people.
Palps is too public a figure to confront willy nilly,
the PT era actually operated realistically, the law protected Palps in public places.
They were also quite aware of Padme-Ani in love as well.
This becomes startlingly clear in ROTS and their tolerance kept them from fully persecuting any action +vely or -vely since they weren't sure it mattered, as they still held Ani as the chosen one of Jedi prophecy.
They pushed Anakin because he was the only Jedi close to the council whose loyalties were devided. The Jedi are exceptionally good liars, since no one expects them to.
Palps had already been candidate no.1 for the secret Darth,
confirmation was all that was needed. He also dodged a Jedi
arrest/assassination before ROTS.
It was Anakin's fear and irrationality that did them in, they had
the clone wars well in the bag, order 66 or otherwise.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
His decision to kill Sidious came after he had been sprayed with lightning. Not even the deaths of fellow Jedi were enough to chance the initial idea: to arrest Palpatine.If you're refering to the good Count, Yoda's passiveness towards him may very well be the reason of their relationship as former master and apprentice.
Maybe. It's a mistake either way.
Originally posted by Allankles
Oh no! They were quite aware of all those people.
Palps is too public a figure to confront willy nilly, the PT era actually operated realistically, the law protected Palps in public places.
Uh, what? They didn't know he was Sidious. At least not until RotS.
Originally posted by Allankles
They were also quite aware of Padme-Ani in love as well.This becomes startlingly clear in ROTS and their tolerance kept them from fully persecuting any action +vely or -vely since they weren't sure it mattered, as they still held Ani as the chosen one of Jedi prophecy.
They pushed Anakin because he was the only Jedi close to the council whose loyalties were devided. The Jedi are exceptionally good liars, since no one expects them to.
Kenobi was aware of it. But I'm unsure if the rest of the Order was.
Originally posted by Allankles
Palps had already been candidate no.1 for the secret Darth,
confirmation was all that was needed. He also dodged a Jedi
arrest/assassination before ROTS.
Where are you getting this from?
Originally posted by Nephthys
No they didn't. Palps could have ordered Order 66 at any time and wiped them out. The Jedi were always ****ed.
No he couldn't. If the Jedi had found Palpatine out, Order 65 could have been enacted.
"In the event of either (i) a majority in the Senate declaring the Supreme Commander (Chancellor) to be unfit to issue orders, or (ii) the Security Council declaring him to be unfit to issue orders, and an authenticated order being received by the GAR, commanders shall be authorized to detain the Supreme Commander, with lethal force if necessary, and command of the GAR shall fall to the acting Chancellor until a successor is appointed or alternative authority identified as outlined in Section 6 (iv)"
That being said I wonder when these orders were passed, and why Bail and Padme wouldn't raise an eyebrow at Order 66 which could only be enacted by Palpatine.
Another interesting note is Palpatine had a Contingency order for Vader.
The Jedi did not think Palpatine was the Sith Lord. The primary suspect was Mas Amedaa. The main reason they didn't suspect palpatine as per ROTS is because he already controlled the Senate.
The good thing about the ROTS novel is it really reflected how the Republic had to fall. Without Palpatine the Republic would collapse, but with him it would be an Empire and would fall regardless.
While they may not have suspected Sidious as a Sith Lord they thought he may be in cahoots with the Sith.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Except that it does since hes shown to underperform because of it. If Yoda was a real fighter he would have pasted Dooku to a wall with the Force in their confrontation and ended the war.
How many Jedi would have plastered their former padawans against a wall? Not many.
Anyway, Yoda would use the force offensively when it was called for. Like against Sidious.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The Jedi did not think Palpatine was the Sith Lord. The primary suspect was Mas Amedaa. The main reason they didn't suspect palpatine as per ROTS is because he already controlled the Senate.The good thing about the ROTS novel is it really reflected how the Republic had to fall. Without Palpatine the Republic would collapse, but with him it would be an Empire and would fall regardless.
That doesn't eliminate Palpatine as a primary suspect. Anyone with common sense would still tag him 'suspect' - he had too much power for one fallible man anyway. So yeah.
The universe is too big for a single centralized government anyway. Peace accords, temporary alliances - these are how things should be run - to check the power of the big powers. Alliance is the best hegemony.
This thread has reached a whole new level of reaching and silliness.
Yes, Yoda is quite a bit superior to Sidious, which is why he was never knocked unconscious. Which is why he cut Sidious to pieces while Sidious was at a disadvantage on the podium during their saber duel. Which is why Sidious never gained the high ground before Yoda managed to, and never nearly overwhelmed Yoda with a bunch of pods, causing him to lose his balance, nope, none of that ever happened. Which is why Sidious' lightning never disarmed Yoda. Which is why Yoda's final attack (redirected lightning ball) blasted Sidious to pieces, instead of just blasting them both apart and thus ending the fight in a stalemate.
Also, the Comics Companion which states that Sidious was too powerful for Yoda to defeat, was clearly wrong. If Yoda wasn't thrown several stories from the final move, he would have finished Sidious, which is why he was able to...finished him before that? Now I'm confused.
As for Sidious choosing to jump out of the way of the pod instead of catching it, given his previous handling of the pods, then logically he could have catched it. Just like Yoda, for some reason, chose not to absorb Sidious' first lightning attack (only attempting to block it with one hand), but given that he was able to later on in the fight, then logically he was capable of absorbing the first attack.