The lightsaber duel doesn't allow much analysis. Neither breaks the other's defense on screen and although Sidious was disarmed in the screenplay, it apparently wasn't important enough to show. Sidious ends up far away from Yoda, how, we don't know.
He lifts multiple pods above his head and throws them down at Yoda, who obviously dodges them until he for whatever reason decides to stop one. Sidious for some reason also stops throwing them at this point when he could simply send three more down on top of Yoda who is currently spinning one rather than throwing it back up immediately. Sidious laughs and sees it coming, looks annoyed and jumps aside. This seems to imply that it was coming back at him faster than he realized and rather than spending the effort to stop it, he jumps away. He is now scared and looking for Yoda. I do believe he lost his lightsaber and due to having used it likely a total of once in the past decade, Yoda is almost certainly superior with a saber at this point. However, Sidious disarms him with a single blast of lightning anyway, so moot point.
Now, even if Yoda did completely redirect the blast on the pod, Sidious wasn't harmed by it and is laughing moments later. I am of the opinion that the energy simply blew up with both parties pushing into it. This was clearly meant to show their parity in Force power in my opinion. I can see someone arguing that at this point Yoda is superior with a saber, however, it seems to matter little when Sidious can apparently disarm him with Force lightning anyway. When both are without a saber, it becomes trickier as Sidious always has lightning and while Yoda can possibly redirect it, it doesn't seem to harm Sidious to any major extent. Yoda has no offensive options other than his saber, which again, Sidious can seemingly remove at will with lightning. Yoda was firmly grasping it on the pod and even Mace Windu, a person far larger than Yoda with a full size lightsaber had difficulty withstanding Sidious' lightning without losing his saber. Yoda is likely superior with a saber, however, I don't believe that he has any clear advantage with Force power and is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to offensive options.
I think that Yoda can get to ROTS Sidious and win some of the time, lose some of the time, and possibly stalemate. ROTS Sidious vs. Yoda is a toss-up in my opinion everytime, with different environments favoring different combatants. I believe that with an additional 23 years of training and studying, ROTJ Sidious likely outclasses Yoda in Force power by enough to comfortably take 7-8/10. However, I do think there can be a couple of times where Yoda makes it to him with his saber, where he will obviously embarrass Sidious who likely hasn't used a saber in years at that point.
Don't get mad at me for calling you out on your lies. Not only did you insinuate the two were light years apart, you did so repeatedly after being called out on it multiple times. I made it pretty clear that such an outlandish contention was why I couldn't take your analysis seriously and you maintained it.
That you concede it later and attempt to deny it is proof of two things: your crippling bias against Sidious and the degree to which I incite you to take ridiculously extreme positions.
Now that your bias is exposed, your argument is undermined, your concession is accepted, I graciously assume victory over you in all things.
Also, from the looks of your openly hostile response to my innocuous post in the Battle Bar, I'd say your blood sugar continues to plummet.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Don't get mad at me for calling you out on your lies. Not only did you insinuate the two were light years apart, you did so repeatedly after being called out on it multiple times. I made it pretty clear that such an outlandish contention was why I couldn't take your analysis seriously and you maintained it.That you concede it later and attempt to deny it is proof of two things: your crippling bias against Sidious and the degree to which I incite you to take ridiculously extreme positions.
Now that your bias is exposed, your argument is undermined, your concession is accepted, I graciously assume victory over you in all things.
Also, from the looks of your openly hostile response to my innocuous post in the Battle Bar, I'd say your blood sugar continues to plummet.
I'm sorry, but the entire point is that you couldn't contend with the argument, so you had to pick on my wordplay when I attempted to softball the argument in order to get people on the other side of the fence to maybe you know, accept it despite their bias/inclinations not to accept it.
It's called a concession; you might want to try it sometime. Wait, you did, but then you took it all back. And now you've spent years enforcing a Sidious status quo here, rabidly opposing alternative viewpoints and even going so far as to compose multi-page essays in favor of how strong and smart and fascinating your character is, when by comparison I haven't done anything similar regarding say, Yoda, whom I'm arguing for in this case.
If you want to talk bias, check yourself at the front door, sir. And my argument is not 'undermined' by anything you've done, but your butthurt is well hidden behind the gifs. Well played.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I'm sorry, but the entire point is that you couldn't contend with the argument, so you had to pick on my wordplay when I attempted to softball the argument in order to get people on the other side of the fence to maybe you know, accept it despite their bias/inclinations not to accept it.
Oh, don't backpedal. Your outlandish remarks were openly contested by others and you conceded their silliness. We're making progress.
I'm confident that, after some regularly scheduled sessions, I can free you from your intense hatred of Sidious.
Just look at that warm smile. You can't possibly hate that forever.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
And now you've spent years enforcing a Sidious status quo here, rabidly opposing alternative viewpoints
Thank God you're above all that.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
and even going so far as to compose multi-page essays in favor of how strong and smart and fascinating your character is,
Because no one here other than me has ever concocted extensive, multi-post arguments for certain characters?
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
when by comparison I haven't done anything similar regarding say, Yoda, whom I'm arguing for in this case.
Since I'm not accusing you of Yoda!bias, this is irrelevant. But the fact of the matter is that you've had some sort of inexplicable, intense personal grudge against the handsome fella in my avatar for years.
Fortunately, he thrives on such things. He's on all-butthurt diet and you, my perpetually-angry friend, are a buffet of butthurt.
Yoda does not seems to be "the greatest foe the darkness had ever known" in the light of recent canonical developments. In addition, Yoda isn't a great warrior; he is certainly a role model Jedi with remarkable skills and power but he doesn't have psychology of a warrior. He is not able to make the best out of his surroundings and personal abilities during combat situations.
In short, Yoda is seemingly a pacifist; combat is secondary to his nature. This is why he failed to contain the threat of Sith.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yoda does not seems to be "the greatest foe the darkness had ever known" in the light of recent canonical developments. In addition, Yoda isn't a great warrior; he is certainly a role model Jedi with remarkable skills and power but he doesn't have psychology of a warrior. He is not able to make the best out of his surroundings and personal abilities during combat situations.In short, Yoda is seemingly a pacifist; combat is secondary to his nature. This is why he failed to contain the threat of Sith.
"Destroy the Sith we must."
Yoda is a great warrior. He's the greatest swordsman in an era where duelists invented and reinvented forms that had existed for tens of thousands of years.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
"Destroy the Sith we must."Yoda is a great warrior. He's the greatest swordsman in an era where duelists invented and reinvented forms that had existed for tens of thousands of years.
In-fact, Jedi Masters such as Revan, HoT, Bersen'thor, Luke, Braga, Jaric and some others were actually great warriors and performed really well against the Sith. In PT era, I'd say that Mace, Obi-Wan and Anakin were good warriors; Mace was undoubtedly a great warrior.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yoda does not seems to be a great warrior. He doesn't have psychology of a great warrior and this is why he failed against the Sith. Yoda was not lacking in the skill department but in mental department for combat/offensive decision-making.In-fact, Jedi Masters such as Revan, HoT, Bersen'thor, Luke, Jaric and some others were actually great warriors and performed really well against the threat of Sith.
Dude he's the ideal Jedi. He's the basis of the character of Barsen'thor, and is the one who taught Luke to be Luke.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Dude he's the ideal Jedi. He's the basis of the character of Barsen'thor, and is the one who taught Luke to be Luke.
To clarify my point: Colemon Trebor could be a role-model Jedi but he was not a great warrior.
