The Greatest Foe the darkness had ever known...

Yoda is the grandaddy of this Jedi thing, not unless and until we see his vision manifest in the NJO, we won't really see another guy like him, for a while.

Once the NJO gets past the hubris of war, maybe we will.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Its one thing to be a role model Jedi and another to be a great warrior. I have already acknowledged that Yoda was a role-model Jedi but he does not seems to be great warrior.

To clarify my point: Colemon Trebor could be a role-model Jedi but he was not a great warrior.

Yoda put the most powerful Sith Lord in history on his ass twice, he's a great warrior.

Jedi get recognition for valor and skill in war, but their greatness is not determined by war feats ultimately - since the principles of their order are based on and built from, peace rather than strife.

I agree with Lgend. Yoda is powerful and skilled, but he isn't a warrior at heart.

He's still a great warrior.

True, he was always a reluctant swordsman and warrior, which is exactly why he was a great Jedi, perhaps the greatest.

That's not entirely true: ''war does not make one great''.

Eeh I know, I tend to use that quote to remind guys why war-like Jedi
are below Yoda. I said he was reluctant, meaning SW is soo warlike
even peace-loving Yoda had to draw his blade many times.

He's the most Powerful Jedi in the OT/PT and his Saber prowess is unmatched in that era.

End of.

No, not end of. Characters are not just stats. Yes, Yoda is the best of the OT, but that has little to do with what we're talking about.

An argument could be made for both cases [Yoda being or not being a warrior].
He isn't devoted to war, he's not actively battling enemies out of choice but rather necessity... On the other side, he's an experienced and brave fighter, who has courage and skills in battle and warfare.
All those characteristics are what define if someone is or not a warrior.

Your pick.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, not end of. Characters are not just stats. Yes, Yoda is the best of the OT, but that has little to do with what we're talking about.

It shows that whether he's a true "warrior" or not doesn't matter when he's that powerful and that capable. Same goes for Sidious.

Yeah, but I don't think that's what they were saying.

Maybe he's half-warrior? Or a warr.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Yoda put the most powerful Sith Lord in history on his ass twice, he's a great warrior.

Jedi Masters such as Revan, HoT, Bersen'thor and Luke have reshaped history with their exploits. They have some impressive victories under their belt.

Yoda failed to undermine any proper Sith Lord and could not reshape history either. In-fact, the Jedi Order slowly but surely grew "out of touch" of its ways during his tenure.

And do not forget that Yoda could have died in the "opening phase" of his encounter of his duel with Sidious (idiot forgot to up his guard properly); it was the latter's foolishness/cockiness from which Yoda benefited. Extremely embarrassing situation for such a powerful Jedi, no?

Originally posted by Petrus
An argument could be made for both cases [Yoda being or not being a warrior].
He isn't devoted to war, he's not actively battling enemies out of choice but rather necessity... On the other side, he's an experienced and brave fighter, who has courage and skills in battle and warfare.
All those characteristics are what define if someone is or not a warrior.

Your pick.

I never bought the whole "out of touch" thing with the Jedi of the PT. If anything they were quite progressive - tolerating Palps, tolerating Anakin's romantic irrationality, hell even tolerating a weak kneed senate.

Their biggest mistake was reaction, they were reacting too much in the end and taking the initiative too rarely.

Jedi almost never take the initiative.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It shows that whether he's a true "warrior" or not doesn't matter when he's that powerful and that capable. Same goes for Sidious.

Except that it does since hes shown to underperform because of it. If Yoda was a real fighter he would have pasted Dooku to a wall with the Force in their confrontation and ended the war. I've said before and I'll say it again: Yoda is averse to utilising the Force offensively. In this Legend's comparison is apt, since if you compare him to someone like the Barsen'thor who's described as 'moving massive waves of energy that tear apart' her enemies, Yoda just looks like a complete pussy.

This is the same guy who pushed Sidious to the floor then just allowed him to stand up again. And walked into the office of Darth 'I just killed 4 of your best Jedi singlehandedly you twit' Sidious without his lightsaber even drawn out of sheer hubris. Yoda is not a warrior in the same way Anakin or Windu are. He does not have their mindsets and is not a killer.

But be aware that I am not knocking Yoda's abilities, merely pointing out a weakness in his character and agreeing with Legends assessment of his combat/battle related decision-making.

Originally posted by Allankles
I never bought the whole "out of touch" thing with the Jedi of the PT. If anything they were quite progressive - tolerating Palps, tolerating Anakin's romantic irrationality, hell even tolerating a weak kneed senate.

No tha-thats why they were out of touch. They didn't tolerate those things, they were just unaware of or completely impotent to deal with them.

^^^

Nicely put.

I agree. Yoda lacks the necessary personality traits to do what is required when it is required. If it was Windu in Yoda's body, he would've crippled the Count when he had the chance and he would've---yes, I dare say it---defeated Sidoous ultimately.