Mace is the second most powerful Jedi as of the PT. And as per Lucas he is one of 2 Jedi/People who can compete with Sidious.
So as much as I don't like the character I can not deny that he is Extremely Powerful. An elite Jedi in any time or age.
He's only being overrated when people start claiming he's > Yoda/Sidious, or even on par with them for that matter. He may be able to take some wins against Sidious, maybe like 1/10 wins against Yoda even, but he is not equal to either of them.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
He's pretty overrated to say that he'd beat Vader 10/10 and that Vader would stand no chance.
Vader wouldn't stand any noteworthy chance against Mace Windu. He is hilariously outclassed with a lightsaber, and against vaapad, is also the inferior Force wielder. Combined with Windu's shatterpoint, this fight is decidedly one sided.
Originally posted by Master Han
It's probably true that Vader is more powerful in the Force, but necessarily by a damning margin, and certainly not when Windu kicks in his vaapad and shatterpoint.
Vader's abilities in the force completely outstrip those of non-mini series Mace.
Mace should still take a majority though.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Vader is more powerful,
Not after vaapad.
has wider knowledge,
And how is this supposed to give him the victory? Windu is a superior duelist, and can draw on Vader's own strength in the dark side; the sith lord is heavily outclassed here. That he knows the history of Darth Malgus's campaigns means nothing.
superior mastery,
Prove. Sidious also had "superior mastery", and he lost.
is more unpredictable,
LOL, vaapad is designed to be unpredictable.
is physically stronger, higher pain endurance.
Although this is true, Windu's own impressive physical conditioning, and his ability to augment it with the Force, must not be underestimated. Yet none of your points convince me that Vader can defeat the same Jedi who has his master at his mercy. And, Windu > Anakin > Vader
Vader, decades before his prime, collapsed a cathedral. Vader, decades before his prime, stalemated a lessened Obi-Wan. Vader, decades before his prime, beat Roan Shryne. Vader, decades before his prime, has mastered and perfected a lightsaber technique consisting of multiple forms. Vader, decades before his prime, beat up five of seven Jedi he got ambushed by. Vader, decades before his prime, moves fast enough to generate four afterimages. Vader, decades before his prime, fights evenly with Marek.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Vader, decades before his prime, collapsed a cathedral.
So? Mace Windu has force pushed an AT-TE.
Vader, decades before his prime, stalemated a lessened Obi-Wan.
😆 Windu is more powerful than Obi Wan in his prime.
Vader, decades before his prime, beat Roan Shryne.
😆 So what?
Vader, decades before his prime, has mastered and perfected a lightsaber technique consisting of multiple forms.
🙄 Mace Windu not only mastered juyo, an act requiring a high level mastery of the other forms, but perfected it, creating the "deadliest" lightsaber style, vaapad.
Vader, decades before his prime, beat up five of seven Jedi he got ambushed by.
So what?
Vader, decades before his prime, moves fast enough to generate four afterimages.
If you wish to engage in such fanciful descriptions, note that Windu and Palpatine were fighting too fast for Anakin to follow.
Vader, decades before his prime, fights evenly with Marek.
So? Marek isn't a particularly impressive duelist, and the two of them together were no match for Palpatine.
Accept it: Windu > Anakin > Vader.
Originally posted by Master Han
So? Mace Windu has force pushed an AT-TE.
Decent feat. But I fail to see how pushing one of a cliff is as impressive as pulling down a citadel.
Originally posted by Master Han
So? Marek isn't a particularly impressive duelist, and the two of them together were no match for Palpatine.
😬
Starkiller alone gave Palpatine a good fight. Throw Vader in there and the two would win.
Originally posted by Master Han
Accept it: Windu > Anakin > Vader.
Nah. Vader > Anakin (not in the z0ne).