Originally posted by carver9
WTF. So GALAN lied?
He may just be mistaken, but he made a similar post about that in October of last year and I responded to it a few days ago:
Originally posted by carver9
WTF. So GALAN lied?
He may just be mistaken, but he made a similar post about that in October of last year and I responded to it a few days ago:
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and yeah, you're right. the whole thing is still just too weird. physics doesn't hold up:
then of course there is the constant conflation with the IG, but we know that the IG doesn't work physically, it's an extension of WILL, and it makes IDEAS real:
whatever steve did isn't at all the same thing hyperion did.
like i said, best we can do is say i don't know for sure wtf happened. claims otherwise are ridiculous.
Agreed.
I mean what we do know is that the earths themselves couldn't hold up to the physical forces being exerted in the Hype instance -- that's why they shattered under the strain. So I'd tend to think we would have seen the same type of thing happen to the earth, had Steve used the IG to physically push it away.
The fact that the earth/universe was left unscathed is why I believe there was more to it than a physical push of energy or w/e. /shrug
I'm gonna go ahead with the o'l unquantifiable feat classification. At least to the part that involves the "universe" portion of things. Just looking at it on the surface, what does "he briefly held apart two universes" even mean?
Really not unlike Supes, Alt CM, and Ultra Man holding up infinite pages book. Or Thor pushing world engine and Herc lifting heavens /axis mundi.
Hype's does benefit from a decidedly more impressive feel to it when taking the visual aspect into account. Two worlds colliding and universal destruction and all...
The"worlds" portion which is more tangible is less of a headache. That feat alone is uber as phukk already.
And with that, I'm done with this thread. I get migraines just thinking about it.
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As mentioned: it seems like more of a durability feat than anything, because we at least KNOW Hype endured the destruction of his universe -- while we have no clue how much of the touted 'universe-weight' he actually supported before failing.
Where strength alone is concerned, I view Hype catching/stopping the earth-sized rogue planet that was hurling toward him at 500,000mph as a FAR more uber feat... Not only is it quantifiable, but it is EXTREMELY impressive. Just my opinion, though.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ 👆As mentioned: it seems like more of a durability feat than anything, because we at least KNOW Hype endured the destruction of his universe -- while we have no clue how much of the touted 'universe-weight' he actually supported before failing.
Where strength alone is concerned, I view Hype catching/stopping the earth-sized rogue planet that was hurling toward him at [b]500,000mph
as a FAR more uber feat... Not only is it quantifiable, but it is EXTREMELY impressive. Just my opinion, though. [/B]
you're right about the durability but even THAT is something i can't help but question. he's the ONLY being in his universe that survived?? so, what, his durability>everyone in his UNIVERSE?? no 'cosmic' beings in his universe?
i think it all has to do with his position within the incursion zone itself that allowed him to both block the incursion and survive. we know physics broke down in the incursion zone so pretty well ANY interpretation is as valid as any other.
meh, i was waiting on carv's big rebuttal, but i guess it isn't forthcoming and the thread is a bit tired.
well, once inside the incursion wall, everything changes:
i mean, outside the wall, they couldn't even SEE the incurring earth, but once within the incursion zone, physics, and everything else apparently, goes out the window. maybe the zone protected him somehow. i dunno. the earths would have collided and apparently, unless you were in the zone, you wouldn't even have known it was happening. the universe would have simply ended i guess, and taken everything with it.
again, no escaping the conclusion that we just don't really know enough to say exactly what happened. for debate purposes, the feat probably shouldn't really be considered on that basis alone. /shrug
Originally posted by Galan007
Where strength alone is concerned, I view Hype catching/stopping the earth-sized rogue planet that was hurling toward him at [b]500,000mph as a FAR more uber feat... Not only is it quantifiable, but it is EXTREMELY impressive. Just my opinion, though. [/B]
Good point. A bullet only travels about 1500 miles per hour. At 500,000 miles per hour, the velocity of the Earth sized rouge planet would equate to the weight of 900 million Earths if I'm doing the kinetic energy formula correctly. If Superman does one Earth bench press rep per second for 5 days, that would equate to 432,000 reps, which is well below 900 million, especially since your single max does not remotely equate to the weight you bench multiplied by your reps.
You posted Superman stuff so I logged out so I'm back now
Originally posted by abhilegend"universal force" means nothing
The earths were not propelled by universal force. Suggesting that is asinine.
Remember when Phildo made the whole "Tanks n balloons" picture theorem? The tanks were the universes iirc but really you can swap that out for "a force" able to attract planets together to the point they will crumble under the stress when they cannot advance anymore (see: Hyperion's outstretched arms). Newton's 3rd law takes over the argument for me so basically like I always said, find the force that was acted upon Hyperion by way of Earths moving towards each other and this thread can be solved.
But..
Within the incursion physics doesn't apply so Idunno, man
But then...
Hyperion caught the planet going 500,000mph
Originally posted by psycho gundam
You posted Superman stuff so I logged out so I'm back now
Why am I not surprised? It doesn't counts for Superman.
"universal force" means nothing
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Remember when Phildo made the whole "Tanks n balloons" picture theorem? The tanks were the universes iirc but really you can swap that out for "a force" able to attract planets together to the point they will crumble under the stress when they cannot advance anymore (see: Hyperion's outstretched arms). Newton's 3rd law takes over the argument for me so basically like I always said, find the force that was acted upon Hyperion by way of Earths moving towards each other and this thread can be solved.
But as shown by the writer, the laws of physics were thrown out the window in an incursion event.
Its a cool scene and shows Hyperion was uber strong. How strong? Never specified.
But..Within the incursion physics doesn't apply so Idunno, man
But then...
Hyperion caught the planet going 500,000mph
Cool feat. Still got his face smashed in by a random robot alongside Thor and Smasher manhandled him something fierce.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Good point. A bullet only travels about 1500 miles per hour. At 500,000 miles per hour, the velocity of the Earth sized rouge planet would equate to the weight of 900 million Earths if I'm doing the kinetic energy formula correctly. If Superman does one Earth bench press rep per second for 5 days, that would equate to 432,000 reps, which is well below 900 million, especially since your single max does not remotely equate to the weight you bench multiplied by your reps.
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Better feat comparison would be Superman and J'onn stopping and pushing away a ship several times the size of Earth at 36000 MPH.
Originally posted by Galan007
Here's another scan depicting the size of Brainiac's ship in comparison to earth:
Shits on Hyperion catching a planet TBH. And then there are feats like rearranging the entire Multiverse.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, Superman along with about half dozen lanterns and Supermen of multiverse actually dragged the entire multiverse out of a multiversal black hole.Should we treat Supermen and GLC as multiversal in each thread?
I'm sure that will be ignored and more wanking of Hyperion will continue.
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Originally posted by Zack M
That Hyperion feat is cute, but Superman's is much superior.
Not really. Noticeably, Abhilegend says stops and pushes the ship away. The problem is that "stops" is something he adds clearly because that is necessary for the feat to match Hyperion's. But they don't stop the ship, but rather push it from the side in order to change its trajectory away from Earth.
Now consider along with this the fact that the rogue planet is traveling 14 times faster than the ship (which offsets any size difference) and Hyperion alone stops it dead in its tracks fairly casually while only letting out a "hurk" while the combination of Superman and J'onn are both aiming for hernias in order to simply change the ship's trajectory. And since ships tend to have open space within them, the ships size compared to Earth is probably much greater than the ship's mass compared to Earth.
As far as the multiver rearranging, I'm not sure how a hundred or hundreds of supermen and GLs pulling together to move single individual planets one after another so as to realign the multiverse compares to a single being feat of pure individual strength. Even the Monitors refer to it as an example of industry as opposed to some great feat.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Not really. Noticeably, Abhilegend says stops and pushes the ship away. The problem is that "stops" is something he adds clearly because that is necessary for the feat to match Hyperion's. But they don't stop the ship, but rather push it from the side in order to change its trajectory away from Earth.
Haha, what? They stopped the ship and then pushed it away.
There was no "pushing from the side" shit you're spewing out.
Now consider along with this the fact that the rogue planet is traveling 14 times faster than the ship (which offsets any size difference) and Hyperion alone stops it dead in its tracks fairly casually while only letting out a "hurk" while the combination of Superman and J'onn are both aiming for hernias in order to simply change the ship's trajectory. And since ships tend to have open space within them, the ships size compared to Earth is probably much greater than the ship's mass compared to Earth.
This is just lulzworthy nonsense. Hyperion stopped the planet and then had to get help from Thor to merge the earths as he couldn't stop it for long.
As far as the multiver rearranging, I'm not sure how a hundred or hundreds of supermen and GLs pulling together to move single individual planets one after another so as to realign the multiverse compares to a single being feat of pure individual strength. Even the Monitors refer to it as an example of industry as opposed to some great feat.
There were only 52 Supermen and they pulled out the entire multiverse outside the black hole.
The single planet as you're trying to lowball it was representative of the entire universe.
Just like your incursions.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, what? They stopped the ship and then pushed it away.There was no "pushing from the side" shit you're spewing out.
This is just lulzworthy nonsense. Hyperion stopped the planet and then had to get help from Thor to merge the earths as he couldn't stop it for long.
There were only 52 Supermen and they pulled out the entire multiverse outside the black hole.
The single planet as you're trying to lowball it was representative of the entire universe.
Just like your incursions.
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You can't make things up to fit your argument. They don't stop the ship and you can't cite anywhere where it is stated nor implied that they stop it. They are shown flying into the side of it and push it clear of Earth. They don't stop it.
Hyperion needs Thor's help because he needs Thor to strike the anchor while his is busy holding the planet he has just stopped.
And how do you conclude from "reestablish symmetry" that they are pulling the multiverse at once? Do you know what symmetry means? They are repositioning the Earths in a uniform way. And those 52 Supermen are aided by hundreds or thousands or more Green Lanterns and it apparently takes that many to move each Earth.
