Hyperion vs. Ultraman

Originally posted by ODG
Restating your inane supposition, isn't an argument. How is two universes pushing two Earths together until they collapse a greater strain than shifting a moon's orbit around?

This is going to get really embarrasing for you, if you don't stop.

The fact that it was the Universe pushing the Earth towards Hyperion is irrelevant - it might aswell just have been Superman on the other side. The same way, in my analogy, it could have been tanks, cars, sumo fighters or anything else you can think of pushing the balloons towards the palms of my hand.

Let me get this dumbed down even further.

Imagine, instead of tanks here:

...there's two very massive guys.

They're palming the balloons towards me at the same speed the tanks are.

Now, in your very kindergarden-level knowledge you're currently suffocating in, you might say that I have to deal with a lower level of strain than the ones done by the tank (because OMG TANKS>>>TWO MASSIVE GUYS?! WTF ?!, right, dumby?)

No, dumby. It's the same level of strain. Because I have to deal with the velocity and mass the balloons are coming towards me [which is the same in both cases].

The same way it's the velocity and mass of the Earths that matter in the Hyperion feat, and not what's pushing the Earths themselves.

Should I recommend a step by step manual for you, dumby?

I told you not to get out of your bench if you can't keep up in the other thread.

Originally posted by ODG
It's TWO EARTHS being smashed into each other by TWO UNIVERSES.

What the phuck does shifting a Moon's natural orbit have any place being even in the same conversation as this??????????????????

CHRIST.

Dude the difference would be like one person easily carrying a 5 gallon aquarium, while the other carries a football stadium. 2 universes or a moon? Which is greater? This isn't hard to understand, and i don't know why you would bother wasting your time on the inane. You're right.

their arguament holds no water

😂

Originally posted by Bentley
Not saying this is false, but there is no reason for the moon to crumble without any strength opposing the push from Ultraman.

I mean, let's all be clear, we are all already assuming that Ultraman didn't just push the Moon further along its own orbital path momentum, but in contravention of it or even completely backwards against it. Otherwise, it'd be like pushing a bicycle downhill instead of uphill.

Before that scene, Ultraman sniffed up some amp juice. Hell, going by this statement, I think he could have snorted some more before pushing the moon in front of the sun.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/snapshot3_zpsd47198e8.jpg.html

Originally posted by Philosophía
You're literally clueless on anything regarding dumbed-down high-school level physics here, dumby.

This is going to get really embarrasing for you, if you don't stop.

The fact that it was the Universe pushing the Earth towards Hyperion is irrelevant - it might aswell just have been Superman on the other side. The same way, in my analogy, it could have been tanks, cars, sumo fighters or anything else you can think of pushing the balloons towards the palms of my hand.

Let me get this dumbed down even further.

Imagine, instead of tanks here:

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/hyperionfeat_zpsc4eef28f.png

...there's two very massive guys.

They're palming the balloons towards me at the same speed the tanks are.

Now, in your very kindergarden-level knowledge you're currently suffocating in, you might say that I have to deal with a lower level of strain than the ones done by the tank (because OMG TANKS>>>TWO MASSIVE GUYS?! WTF ?!, right, dumby?)

No, dumby. It's the same level of strain. Because I have to deal with the velocity and mass the balloons are coming towards me [which is the same in both cases].

The same way it's the velocity and mass of the Earths that matter in the Hyperion feat, and not what's pushing the Earths themselves.

Should I recommend a step by step manual for you, dumby?

I told you not to get out of your bench if you can't keep up in the other thread.

You don't need much force to collapse a balloon down onto something. You need a lot of force to crush a rock down into something. You need a hell of a lot of force to crush a boulder, or a mountain down into something. Two Earths. It wouldn't take two universes to crush two Earths. But it takes more force than moving a god damn moon's orbit.

Holding apart two boulders being crushed to pieces around you by two tanks is a greater strength feat than moving around a boulder 1/4th the size. A child knows this. And your feeble attempts to deflect from that by littering your analogy with the word, "balloons," isn't changing that. Yes, moving a moon is greater than holding against two balloons being crushed by tanks. It is not greater than holding against two Earths being crushed by their universes.

And this is all, once again, ignoring the universal implications of what Incursions actually are. Reed stated it explicitly: Cap pushing against the Earth, was literally pushing against it's entire universe. You can deflect onto balloons all you want and collapsing weights all you want. Cap pushed against an Earth, and pushed the weight of its entire universe along with it, WITHOUT the Earth collapsing.

But this complete ignorance of the fundamental and explicit laws set forth within the four corners of the comic isn't what infuriates me here. It's the complete gall that you have to pretend to not understand that pushing against two Earths collapsing into each other isn't somehow greater than shifting a moon's orbit.

its less two balloons and more two giant hunks of rock
(i dont know whether your flashing down cos of the durability thing but even then it wont be two balloons more like to footballs {soccer balls})

so even then thats an insane durability feat all off its own

Originally posted by Philosophía
No, dumby. It's the same level of strain. Because I have to deal with the velocity and mass the balloons are coming towards me [which is the same in both cases].

Originally posted by Philosophía
The fact that it was the Universe pushing the Earth towards Hyperion is irrelevant - it might aswell just have been Superman on the other side.

If the earth is just a balloon that explodes upon being pushed by a large mass against a very durable small object(Hyperion), then there is no way whatsoever that it shouldn't explode when being pushed back by someone with the actual strength to push back universal masses.

Originally posted by ODG
And this is all, once again, ignoring the universal implications of what Incursions actually are. Reed stated it explicitly: Cap pushing against the Earth, was literally pushing against it's entire universe. You can deflect onto balloons all you want and collapsing weights all you want. Cap pushed against an Earth, and pushed the weight of its entire universe along with it, [b]WITHOUT the Earth collapsing.

But this complete ignorance of the fundamental and explicit laws set forth within the four corners of the comic isn't what infuriates me here. It's the complete gall that you have to pretend to not understand that pushing against two Earths collapsing into each other isn't somehow greater than shifting a moon's orbit. [/B]

It would be far more reasonable for guys like Philo and Diesl to just cry PIS instead of trying to use faulty logic and a retarded invocation of high-school physics to try and twist the feat into anything lesser than what it really is.

All this god damned nonsense about Hyperion pushing two balloons. He pushed against two Earths, ffs -- again, even if you want to ignore the explicit facts that pushing Earths = pushing universes by the laws set up via Incursions.

Hyperion didn't push against two balloons anymore than Ultraman moved around a single balloon 1/4th the size that's rotating around another balloon. Christ.

^lol

Originally posted by ODG
All this god damned nonsense about Hyperion pushing two balloons. He pushed against two Earths, ffs -- again, even if you want to ignore the explicit facts that pushing Earths = pushing universes by the laws set up via Incursions.

Hyperion didn't push against two balloons anymore than Ultraman moved around a single balloon 1/4th the size that's rotating around another balloon. Christ.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The balloons will explode much more quickly in one case than the other. Not to mention that your arms will get bent back a little bit either scenario.

Nope. If you realized how hilariously off-base you are with this eldritch abomination of a combination of bullshit and nonsense, the you won't bother posting in this thread anymore if you realized what a load of crap this is.

If the earth is just a balloon that explodes upon being pushed by a large mass against a very durable small object(Hyperion), then there is no way whatsoever that it [b]shouldn't explode when being pushed back by someone with the actual strength to push back universal masses. [/B]

Well there's also zee incredible feat of zee book of infinite pages that we could strawman into. Let's just wipe our feet on zis one and move on. Shall we?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Either ways, his feat(both from the strength and durability perspective) is far and away superior to Ultraman's.

I don't know in advance how I'm going to justify it. But it'll have something to do with balloons, apparently.

Spidey has comparably insane durability though

was that in relation to me? 🙁 😕

"The Earth is like an island breaking the surface of an ocean. He's literally pushing an entire universe hidden from us..."

Phildo and ODG always bring the lulz.