Doomsday vs Mangog

Originally posted by carver9
The same Destroyer that wasn't powered by anything stomped a high Herald and low Herald with ease. Also, I think the shell of the Destroyer stomped Jane. I know Odin resurrected it but I don't think his essense was powering it.

Powered by a dead Universe? I don't get it. War was obviously in the Herald tier with it. Thor was amazed at this Mjlonir power. Where are you going with this?

Mangog stomps.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Dunno.

To me he seemed more unstoppable in his ancient form than in DoS. And he had some crazy amping ability from the green energy.

He was severely weakened in DoS, IIRC. Having had no sun. AND dying from Calaton. But he still tanked some pretty hardcore energy attacks, plus when he came back he shredded The Radiant in their rematch.

Also his later form(w/supes dna) didn't seem like he was more powerful on latter appearances with said form.

Then in rebirth he seemed pretty powerful, but Supes was able to hang. U'd think he would have evolved to be even more powerful by then. Comics can be so inconsistent.

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Still, Mangog Chewed through a Trans Tier being [/B]

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

He was severely weakened in DoS, IIRC. Having had no sun. AND dying from Calaton. But he still tanked some pretty hardcore energy attacks, plus when he came back he shredded The Radiant in their rematch.

I thought so. Doomslayer etc.

It's a Supes showing, rather than a DD showing, imo. Like Jane vs Odin....a massive feat for Jane, unless we all agree Odin is like herald level now. [/B]

As for the other latter DD showings, he seemed to be contended with or get dispatched way too easily and did not have that same more powerful than ever feeling about him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

It wasn't empty. Cul has been using an unknown number of Asgardians to power it.

What don't you get? Said so right on panel. Had the power of a dead universe in it. Jane beat him just fine; unless you think Jane is above the herald tier?

He was severely weakened in DoS, IIRC. Having had no sun. AND dying from Calaton. But he still tanked some pretty hardcore energy attacks, plus when he came back he shredded The Radiant in their rematch.

I thought so. Doomslayer etc.

It's a Supes showing, rather than a DD showing, imo. Like Jane vs Odin....a massive feat for Jane, unless we all agree Odin is like herald level now. [/B]

It's shell (which is still killing people) was said to be more powerful than ever. A sickly Asgardian powering something that is more powerful than ever without a presence doesn't take away from the showing. I doubt, highly doubt, Doomsday could chew on the Destroyer armor and destroy it.

Thor hammer was created by Odin using a dead star iirc. I don't think a dead Universe is something terrible to use against the character. Lol... at the end of the day, it's a Universe. He was injured when he fought Jane. Sigh.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
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Also the statement about fire in the destroyer did not really say it was more powerful. It was that it seemed to hurt the person or persons who were inhabiting it more than it usually did. Notice the pile of comatose bodies.

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Originally posted by carver9
It's shell (which is still killing people) was said to be more powerful than ever. A sickly Asgardian powering something that is more powerful than ever without a presence doesn't take away from the showing. I doubt, highly doubt, Doomsday could chew on the Destroyer armor and destroy it.

Thor hammer was created by Odin using a dead star iirc. I don't think a dead Universe is something terrible to use against the character. Lol... at the end of the day, it's a Universe. He was injured when he fought Jane. Sigh.

Erm. No. That's movie Thor.

Mjolnir is a living, Galaxy wide storm.

NOW it is. Carvers description was accurate before the Jane bullshit.

Carver's description also came before the War Thor, so yeah.

He is a bit off, but Mjolnir was still crafted by utilizing a star. And technically Mjolnir is not just Mother Storm. It's where the remnants of the Mother Storm was placed. So it's more like Mother Storm + Odin enchant + star wrought uru = Mjolnir.

I think we are all clear, only I am the true Thor fan here.

Maybe when u finally remove that hidden S shield tramp stamp. Maybe...

the shell of the destroyer was also stalemated by ben grim... and thor has ko'd the destroyer as well. it is generally portrayed as trans, but it also has its less than awesome showings. it also wasn't uber in the dark gods arc iirc (solid, but it didn't outperform thor) so a good showing vs it isn't necessarily that awesome.

and anyone suggesting this is a stomp for either is...not terribly bright imho. after looking back at some mangog stuff i really don't know who'd win in a fight. be close to a stalemate. feeding off dd's rage could be a tide-turner, maybe, but i wonder how mangog would deal with being stabbed repeatedly? i dunno know. this is pretty damn close imo.

Stomp for Mangog 👆

Doomsday wins. Too fast, dynamic stats, adaptive powers and edged weapons via bone claws/spurs.

Originally posted by carver9
I feel like I already asked this but what did Doomsday do that puts him on Mangog level? I feel certain Doomsday wouldn't have Odin pissing his pants at the thought of fighting him. He would probably just send Thor to do his dirty work.

Of course he would. He had Darkseid scared of him. Odin absolutely would be as well.

Mangog in a Stomp.

Originally posted by JBL
Mangog in a Stomp.

Based on...?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Stomp for Mangog 👆

The Ben Grimm fight was so so. The Destroyer had a "miniscule portion of life energy" from big G that he was slowly removing. Plus it wasn't really fighting so much as it was delaying. Iirc..

And Destroyer getting ko'd was with w/Thunderstrike I think? I remember Donald Blake's essence was in the middle of fighting Garm's for control of it which gave the opening for them to be punted from the shell. It pretty much dominated both of them before the internal struggle.

Originally posted by leonidas
the shell of the destroyer was also stalemated by ben grim... and thor has ko'd the destroyer as well. it is generally portrayed as trans, but it also has its less than awesome showings. it also wasn't uber in the dark gods arc iirc (solid, but it didn't outperform thor) so a good showing vs it isn't necessarily that awesome.

and anyone suggesting this is a stomp for either is...not terribly bright imho. after looking back at some mangog stuff i really don't know who'd win in a fight. be close to a stalemate. feeding off dd's rage could be a tide-turner, maybe, but i wonder how mangog would deal with being stabbed repeatedly? i dunno know. this is pretty damn close imo.

Beating the Destroyer isn't a good showing because of a showing or two where it isn't absolutely stomping someone this side of Thanos?

Ben Grimm fought a weakened Destroyer (As confirmed by Loki) and Galactus withdrew his life energy halfway through and Ben was beating on an empty suit of armor. When did Thor knock out the Destroyer?

By that logic, Thor outperformed both the Destroyer (Powered by a regular human mind you) AND Hercules in combat apparently and stomped Perrikus easily. That was a stupid high showing for Thor who proceeded to Godblast a Skyfather plus being. Asgard was on the line. It was like Superman in OWAW. Not really indicative of anything. Fighting like that, he'd tear Doomsday a new anus too.

That's also such a HIGHLY selective example that I'm kind of disappointed...as anyone who has read Jurgen's 1998 Thor serious would know, the Destroyer treated Thor like Mangog treated War Thor until he was pushed to the breaking point.

Fandral tried to stab him and failed in his first appearance. He's been stabbed other than that through bladed weapons such as the Valkyrie's but it's never slowed him down.

Originally posted by panthergod
Doomsday wins. Too fast, dynamic stats, adaptive powers and edged weapons via bone claws/spurs.

You believe that DD wouldn't be fighting an uphill battle here? Mangog bit through armor that was said to be stronger than Mjolnir. not sue why he couldn't pick DD up and bite him in two?