Originally posted by The_Tempest
If this is the guy who cowed the Son and Daughter, Team 2 curbstomps. Hell, Anakin probably solos.
If we go by the whole n-canon story, Anakin definitely solos considering he would have annihilated Sidious and Yoda combined.
If this is ROTS Zone Anakin however its way closer.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Actually they were more powerful than Mace and Yoda:I think you need to stop posting on these boards for good, because you clearly know nothing about the SW Eu.
His Force abilities are EXACTLY what his being in the Zone effects.
Building up the BIG BAD Son and daughter to be the biggest villans the SW Universe hs ever seen is common place in any genre. Build em up.. to have the hero save the day. Nothing new here. Now, what I'm waiting for is.. if Anakin's TK is so otherworldly... than why was his TK stalemated by Kenobi? Please explain this to me.
By the way... For somebody that says Idiotic things and lacks basic logic to tell me I say dumb stuff is pretty hilarious. Nobody says dumber stuff than you DP, and everybody on here knows it.
Because Anakin isn't normally that powerful. Thats why we specify that its Zonakin instead of his usual self. Plus, did you watch the video? Anakin was drawing off of the power of Mortis when he did that, and Mortis is the Force.
Also I believe the Ones are stated to be the most powerful Force users in the entire mythos, so yeah, they're kind of a big deal.
Right... but he became even more powerful in his ROTS version than in the clone wars... he even says.. how much his powers have increased when he fought dooku again. So clearly via canon.. he's even more power in ROTS. Thus, it doesn't make logical sense he could do that in the clone wars... then tap into the DS even more and be even more powerful by his own admission and then get stalemated by kenobi.
Futher, I never said he could call upon Mortis is this thread at all.. that isn't something he can do all the time whenever he wants. Thus, it's inadmissable in a vs. thread unless he's been shown to do that a least a few times. Until then it's considered a one off and would need to be specified as him being able to do that in a thread title. This was never said in this thread thus it has no relevance.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Building up the BIG BAD Son and daughter to be the biggest villans the SW Universe hs ever seen is common place in any genre. Build em up.. to have the hero save the day. Nothing new here. Now, what I'm waiting for is.. if Anakin's TK is so otherworldly... than why was his TK stalemated by Kenobi? Please explain this to me.By the way... For somebody that says Idiotic things and lacks basic logic to tell me I say dumb stuff is pretty hilarious. Nobody says dumber stuff than you DP, and everybody on here knows it.
You seem to lack the knowledge to properly argue about a thread yourself created.
Anakin stalemated Kenobi, not Zonakin. You clearly know nothing about the Son, the Father and the Daughter. Leeland Chee confirmed that the Father is the most powerful character to ever be created, being the embodiment of the Force itself. His Son is the embodiment of the dark side, his Daughter the embodiment of the light side. Together, they are considered the most powerful Force-users, as well as the Mother (Abeloth), who is stated to be a dozen times more powerful than Luke Skywalker in his prime. Zonakin casually owned the Son and the Daughter, and the Father originally intended Anakin to be his replacement when he died, strongly suggesting Zonakin at least = the Father.
Become more knowledgeable in the Star Wars EU, or GTFO.
It's fine to not know stuff if you want to learn, but you, without knowing shit, are talking like you know shit. Do yourself a favor and stop making a fool out of yourself.
Now, I agree with Mizukage Yoda. If this is ROTS Zonakin, team 2 wins but doesn't own. If it's Mortis episodes TCW Zonakin, adding Sids just makes this a curbstomp.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Building up the BIG BAD Son and daughter to be the biggest villans the SW Universe hs ever seen is common place in any genre. Build em up.. to have the hero save the day. Nothing new here.
Wow, using the "plot device" excuse to lowball. Funny how you never accepted that as an excuse for Kenobi cutting Maul in TPM.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Now, what I'm waiting for is.. if Anakin's TK is so otherworldly... than why was his TK stalemated by Kenobi? Please explain this to me.
Oh really? Is that what your waiting for now? Because I thought you were waiting for evidence of this:
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Please show me ANYTIME.. JUST ONCE... That Anakin used this alleged TK AWESOMENESS you speak of to beat anybody on the level of Mace or Yoda... if you can't.. then you need to be quiet about this bullshit you speak. Anakin has never TK'd anybody on the level of these two.. EVER.
Which I clearly provided in my last post.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
By the way... For somebody that says Idiotic things and lacks basic logic to tell me I say dumb stuff is pretty hilarious. Nobody says dumber stuff than you DP, and everybody on here knows it.
Show me where I used the word "dumb" on this thread. If you can't then you need to re-examine your reading comprehension.
What I said was if you don't know anything about the Star Wars EU, then don't come in here ranting at everyone talking idiotic shit. Either discuss nicely and learn from people who obviously know more than you, or don't bother posting here.
You asked for evidence of Anakin JUST ONE TIME displaying this awesome TK, and doing it to people on Mace or Yoda's level. And I gave you just that. So now you've quickly shifted your demands.
Originally posted by Petrus
Which fluffly decriptions make them seem comparable?
All the fluff about Dooku being dead already the second Anakin utilizes his power, the Count's skills, experience, and power being a total joke to Anakin at this point, etc. and so forth.
That kind of dominance over one of the strongest Sith Lords ever is pretty rare.
Originally posted by Nephthys
But the Anakin who cowed the Son and Daughter did have that power to draw upon. So you can't really compare him to Zonakin, who doesn't have it and isn't amped to that degree.
But the Son and the Daughter had the same power to draw on and couldn't stop him. There's no reason to believe Mortis is necessary for Anakin to wield that power, else his peerless potential and the Father's confirmed station by Leland Chee wouldn't really apply if Mortis is really the crux to it all.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
All the fluff about Dooku being dead already the second Anakin utilizes his power, the Count's skills, experience, and power being a total joke to Anakin at this point, etc. and so forth.That kind of dominance over one of the strongest Sith Lords ever is pretty rare.
Hmmm... You might be right. But does't Mortakin (yeah, I like your nickname, I'ma use it from now on) drawing on the power of the Ones make him even more uber than Zonakin?
EDIT - True.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
And neither do Yoda, Mace, or Sidious in this case. Any advantage would be even keel.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm not sure we should distinguish Zownakin from Mortakin. Based on Stover's fluffy descriptions, they seem comparable.
I'm open to the idea that Skywalker being the chosen one gets a larger boost on a force nexus than other Jedi or Sith.
But still given the level of competition he overpowered on Mortis, added to their own Mortis amp, and Stover's ROTS description, it's pretty clear Zone Anakin is a beast who can possibly overpower any Jedi or Sith.
Originally posted by Petrus
Hmmm... You might be right. But does't Mortakin (yeah, I like your nickname, I'ma use it from now on) drawing on the power of the Ones, makes him even more uber than Zonakin?
Yes, but the Anchorites are drawing on the same power. For Anakin to still overcome them both when all three draw on the same energy source means his advantage must be internal. Which is why The Father has selected him and him alone as a replacement rather than any Force using schmuck who can harness a Force nexus.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yes, but the Anchorites are drawing on the same power. For Anakin to still overcome them both when all three draw on the same energy source means his advantage must be internal. Which is why The Father has selected him and him alone as a replacement rather than any Force using schmuck who can harness a Force nexus.
Fair enough, you make a good point. From now on Mortakin ceases to exist and he shall be known only as Zonakin.
Too bad I only got to use that nickname once.