Originally posted by vince_slice
Well if we're going to assume Superman starts off with planet destroying punches, then it's only fair we assume Surfer will start with planet destroying omniblasts, which he's actually done multiple times.
I'm assuming both characters utilize everything within their Powerset. I don't think Surfer is as fast in combat as Superman. No one has shown me anything to suggest that he can hang with Superman in a fist fight.
Originally posted by Odekahn
I'm assuming both characters utilize everything within their Powerset. I don't think Surfer is as fast in combat as Superman. No one has shown me anything to suggest that he can hang with Superman in a fist fight.
He beat down Beta Ray Bill, and held his own with Gladiator in a fist fight.
But he doesn't really need to slug it out.
His flight speed's faster, and he can shoot just fine at top speeds.
Originally posted by Odekahn
I'm assuming both characters utilize everything within their Powerset. I don't think Surfer is as fast in combat as Superman. No one has shown me anything to suggest that he can hang with Superman in a fist fight.
Originally posted by vince_slice
This isn't a fist fight though... Surfer's allowed to use all his powers.
I understand that, but why wouldn't Superman blitz him like he did Orion? Avoid Surfer's blasts like he was able to at first with Darkseid? If you can show me that Surfers durability is enough to withstand a blitz from punches that could destroy planets, then we are getting somewhere.
Originally posted by Odekahn
I understand that, but why wouldn't Superman blitz him like he did Orion? Avoid Surfer's blasts like he was able to at first with Darkseid? If you can show me that Surfers durability is enough to withstand a blitz from punches that could destroy planets, then we are getting somewhere.
Plus these two are still fighting in character. Saying that Superman starts off with planet destroying blitzes before Surfer can even react, is as dumb as me saying Surfer will open up multiple black holes in Superman's anus at the start.
Originally posted by Odekahn
Because you haven't shown me anything else.My point is that Surfer was already in mid-battle before he did that to Vision. He wouldn't have the time to analyze Clark.
I'm saying by the time he does hit Superman, surfer will have already taken a full unleashed super blitz. If I'm wrong, just show me why. There's 40+years of Surfer feats to choose from.
Here ya go. Denial...saying Surfer wouldn't have had time to pull off this attack. Prove that this version of Superman is faster than Surfer and prove that it takes time ffor Surfer to attack. Dont prove it with your opinion, prove it with scans. Not a blur scan either because that's not proof...prove it with onpanel evidence that surpass all of Surfer speed fts.
Originally posted by Odekahn
I'm assuming both characters utilize everything within their Powerset. I don't think Surfer is as fast in combat as Superman. No one has shown me anything to suggest that he can hang with Superman in a fist fight.
What's this version of Superman best combat ft? Scans please.
Originally posted by Odekahn
I understand that, but why wouldn't Superman blitz him like he did Orion? Avoid Surfer's blasts like he was able to at first with Darkseid? If you can show me that Surfers durability is enough to withstand a blitz from punches that could destroy planets, then we are getting somewhere.
When did Superman destroy a planet?
Originally posted by vince_slice
Yeah because Superman's blitz was so effective, instead of giving Orion bruises, it gave him a smile instead. Surfer would tank it just like Orion, if not better.Plus these two are still fighting in character. Saying that Superman starts off with planet destroying blitzes before Surfer can even react, is as dumb as me saying Surfer will open up multiple black holes in Superman's anus at the start.
1. You don't know that Superman wasn't holding back.
2. You don't know that - that couldn't have just been an insane durability feat for Orion.
3. What makes Surfer more durable than that? I'm still wanting to see Surfer's durability.
4. It is within Superman's character to blitz someone, especially if he's angry. Also, DCNU Superman is much more feisty then pre-DCNU Superman.
5. It is forum rules that state all characters are assumed to fight at full capacity.
6. I'm not saying its before Surfer can react (now). I think both would likely dodge and weave several attacks each before either landed one.
Originally posted by carver9
Here ya go. Denial...saying Surfer wouldn't have had time to pull off this attack. Prove that this version of Superman is faster than Surfer and prove that it takes time ffor Surfer to attack. Dont prove it with your opinion, prove it with scans. Not a blur scan either because that's not proof...prove it with onpanel evidence that surpass all of Surfer speed fts.
I'm saying that he didn't start the fight off like that. If there is a feat of surfer immediately analyzing an opponent... upon his first time meeting them where he automatically knows and exploits their weakness, then show me. Otherwise it is not the same thing.
Originally posted by carver9
What's this version of Superman best combat ft? Scans please.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?464261-The-New-52-Superman-Feat-thread
Here, knock yourself out.
Originally posted by Odekahn
1. You don't know that Superman wasn't holding back.2. You don't know that - that couldn't have just been an insane durability feat for Orion.
3. What makes Surfer more durable than that? I'm still wanting to see Surfer's durability.
4. It is within Superman's character to blitz someone, especially if he's angry. Also, DCNU Superman is much more feisty then pre-DCNU Superman.
5. It is forum rules that state all characters are assumed to fight at full capacity.
6. I'm not saying its before Surfer can react (now). I think both would likely dodge and weave several attacks each before either landed one.
You're not serious are you? I hope you don't think Surfer would get knocked out by that blitz and that DCNU Orion is more durable than Surfer, despite Orion having few appearances.
I feel like you've never read a Surfer comic before if you're asking me these questions. FYI Surfer has tanked planet+ destroying attacks on multiple occasions. E.g., Morg and Korvac.
So has DCNU Superman ever tanked planet destroying blasts before? Or resisted his solar energy being messed with?
Originally posted by Odekahn
Where did you get the information on the number of each characters appearances from?Also, so what? Surfer has been around a lot longer than 10 years, and he has virtually every feat at his disposal.
facepalm
So what? That's the nature of the character being argued. If you don't like it, then pick another thread to argue on. The whole "crutch" argument is as retarded as you can get. Pre-DCnU Superman had FAR MORE appearances than the Surfer, yet you'd still see people argue about them and not going the whole lame "crutch" route just to throw out a lame excuse on why their character lost.
Originally posted by Odekahn
Right now, I'm not arguing. I'm asking questions. When I get the answers, I will look at them objectively. If those answers bring up more questions or I feel like what has happened is more so interpretation than what's there, I will say so.
Objectively...
Yeah right. And h1's math is accurate, unbiased and truthful... (notice the sarcasm?).
Originally posted by vince_slice
You're not serious are you? I hope you don't think Surfer would get knocked out by that blitz and that DCNU Orion is more durable than Surfer, despite Orion having few appearances.I feel like you've never read a Surfer comic before if you're asking me these questions. FYI Surfer has tanked planet+ destroying attacks on multiple occasions. E.g., Morg and Korvac.
So has DCNU Superman ever tanked planet destroying blasts before? Or resisted his solar energy being messed with?
Smdh. That's why I said this...
Originally posted by Odekahn
Right now, I'm not arguing. I'm asking questions.
And that's also why I said this too.
Originally posted by OdekahnShow me the examples you are talking about, please.
I'm not a surfer expert and I never claimed to be. You don't have to be condescending :/
So again I ask, show me Surfers durability, and that he can hang with a flurry in his face, and you will convince me.
Originally posted by Odekahn
I'm saying that he didn't start the fight off like that. If there is a feat of surfer immediately analyzing an opponent... upon his first time meeting them where he automatically knows and exploits their weakness, then show me. Otherwise it is not the same thing.
You are contradicting yourself. First you say they fight to the best of their ability and then you say something like this. Then you say Superman will start off blitzing but you take away Surfer ability to analyze. Superman doesnt blitz all of the time just like Surfer doesn't analyze all of the time. Stop picking and choosing.
Originally posted by Odekahn
1. You don't know that Superman wasn't holding back.2. You don't know that - that couldn't have just been an insane durability feat for Orion.
3. What makes Surfer more durable than that? I'm still wanting to see Surfer's durability.
4. It is within Superman's character to blitz someone, especially if he's angry. Also, DCNU Superman is much more feisty then pre-DCNU Superman.
5. It is forum rules that state all characters are assumed to fight at full capacity.
6. I'm not saying its before Surfer can react (now). I think both would likely dodge and weave several attacks each before either landed one.
1. The burden is on you to prove that Superman was holding back and to what extent he was.
2. What other things have Orion tanked for you to claim this?
3. Since you like posting respect threads in order to see what a character can do:
http://www.comicvine.com/silver-surfer/4005-2502/forums/silver-surfer-respect-thread-684061/
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t459252.html
http://surfistaprateado.angelfire.com/
Here, knock yourself out.
4. When has Superman started with planet destroying punches (like you're implying he would)?
5. Same goes for Surfer as well. IF we use the logic that you're using, it only means that he will use his superior flight speed to get distance and use planet busting omniblasts and energy disrupting abilities.
6. Good, I'm glad you're off that foolish line of thought.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
facepalmSo what? That's the nature of the character being argued.
No. You just don't understand. You are limiting a character who has 40+ years of existence to 10 years in the statement you made. That's not the parameters of the thread.
If you don't like it, then pick another thread to argue on.
Maybe you should take your own advice.
The whole "crutch" argument is as retarded as you can get. Pre-DCnU Superman had FAR MORE appearances than the Surfer, yet you'd still see people argue about them and not going the whole lame "crutch" route just to throw out a lame excuse on why their character lost.
Superman had more appearances because the character existed longer. You can't hold a characters feats against them because they existed longer. Yes, it's DCNU Superman, but assuming he doesn't have something that he has had before, like A resistance to molecular tampering, when it hasn't been shown that he doesn't have it, is a crutch.
Objectively...Yeah right. And h1's math is accurate, unbiased and truthful... (notice the sarcasm?).
Believe me or don't. Lol
Originally posted by Odekahn
Smdh. That's why I said this...And that's also why I said this too.
So again I ask, show me Surfers durability, and that he can hang with a flurry in his face, and you will convince me.
Did you not read my post? I referenced two fights that show off Surfer's ability to tank planet busting attacks. Attacks that would make that blitz look like kindergarden stuff.
I've posted tons of scans and made tons of references. Most of the time you either dismissed them, or made up a faulty excuse as to why it doesn't apply to Superman.
So how about you answer some questions. Has DCNU Superman ever tanked planet destroying attacks before? Has he resisted his solar stores being messed with by someone on Surfer's level?