Superman DCNU VS Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Odekahn
No. You just don't understand. You are limiting a character who has 40+ years of existence to 10 years in the statement you made. That's not the parameters of the thread.

Please read what I'm saying and give it a little thought before replying. I'm not sure you really get what I'm trying to say.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Maybe you should take your own advice.

Try again.

I'm not complaining about one character using a "crutch" and I have no issue with the character's being argued about. You, however, seem to have an attitude towards about the very nature of how debates here are done.

Aka, stick to the topic at hand and stop whining about "crutches".

Originally posted by Odekahn
Superman had more appearances because the character existed longer. You can't hold a characters feats against them because they existed longer. Yes, it's DCNU Superman, but assuming he doesn't have something that he has had before, like A resistance to molecular tampering, when it hasn't been shown that he doesn't have it, is a crutch.

No. It's the rules of the forum. We use canon examples to the characters being argued. No one is arguing Exiles Surfer to see what kind of "feats" a cutting loose Surfer could do, we don't use pre-crisis/pre-DCnU Superman to determine what a different Superman can do.

Again, if you don't like it, argue elsewhere.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Believe me or don't. Lol

Good, cuz I don't.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
1. The burden is on you to prove that Superman was holding back and to what extent he was.

2. What other things have Orion tanked for you to claim this?

3. Since you like posting respect threads in order to see what a character can do:

http://www.comicvine.com/silver-surfer/4005-2502/forums/silver-surfer-respect-thread-684061/

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t459252.html

http://surfistaprateado.angelfire.com/

Here, knock yourself out.

4. When has Superman started with planet destroying punches (like you're implying he would)?

5. Same goes for Surfer as well. IF we use the logic that you're using, it only means that he will use his superior flight speed to get distance and use planet busting omniblasts and energy disrupting abilities.

6. Good, I'm glad you're off that foolish line of thought.

1. Why would the burden of proof be on me? Either one of two things, Superman was holding back or Orion was able to take planet busting punches. Since Superman is known regularly to hold back you tell me which one is more likely?

2. If Superman wasn't holding back what else would Orion have to have tanked? Surviving a blitz by Superman at full force is a hell of a feat.

3. Thank you.

And what's wrong with posting respect threads?

4. They are both fighting at full capacity. It is within Superman's character to blitz an enemy when he's angry.

5. Is it within Surfers character to do that?

Originally posted by Odekahn
1. Why would the burden of proof be on me? Either one of two things, Superman was holding back or Orion was able to take planet busting punches. Since Superman is known regularly to hold back you tell me which one is more likely?

2. If Superman wasn't holding back what else would Orion have to have tanked? Surviving a blitz by Superman at full force is a hell of a feat.

3. Thank you.

And what's wrong with posting respect threads?

4. They are both fighting at full capacity. It is within Superman's character to blitz an enemy when he's angry.

5. Is it within Surfers character to do that?

Prove that this version of Superman holds back.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Did you not read my post? I referenced two fights that show off Surfer's ability to tank planet busting attacks. Attacks that would make that blitz look like kindergarden stuff.

I've posted tons of scans and made tons of references. Most of the time you either dismissed them, or made up a faulty excuse as to why it doesn't apply to Superman.

So how about you answer some questions. Has DCNU Superman ever tanked planet destroying attacks before? Has he resisted his solar stores being messed with by someone on Surfer's level?

You referenced them but I wanted to see them. There's been numerous times on this thread, me as well, where scans were not what they were said or remembered to be.

I quoted myself because I am trying to get the point across that I am not a surfer expert and I am asking you guys for examples as it relates to this thread. I'm not sure how many other ways I can say that.

Originally posted by carver9
Prove that this version of Superman holds back.

His fight with flash. He flicked him. He was holding back.

Originally posted by carver9
Why would he provide any more scans than what they have posted.? Read what you are asking people and implying. They post fts and you ignore it. They post evidence and you post something saying that it didn't happen instantly...WTF. You haven't even provided evidence that this version of Superman is faster than Surfer. You posted a scan and took it out of context...how about you post proof that this version of Superman can beat Surfer.

This.

Why would they waste time posting scans.

Originally posted by Odekahn
His fight with flash. He flicked him. He was holding back.

Lol...Darkseid pimp smacked Batman before, does that means he holds back all the time? Juggernaut slapped Rogue before, does that means he holds back all of the time? I can go on for days. That's not proof. Provide a scan that say he holds back all of the time.

Originally posted by carver9
This.

Why would they waste time posting scans.

Because I'm trying to learn about the character. Why don't you help me out and show me what you are saying instead of being snide about it?

Originally posted by Odekahn
Because I'm trying to learn about the character. Why don't you help me out and show me what you are saying instead of being snide about it?

What type of fts are you looking for?

Originally posted by carver9
What type of fts are you looking for?

Thank you for listening, carver.

Combat speed fts, (something flurry like or response to a flurry, any repeated reflex would be great), and durability.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Superman benched the weight of the Earth for 5 days without rest or sunlight.

Originally posted by vince_slice
So you think that's proof that he could destroy a planet with a punch?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Probably.

And we'll probably never know. Superman is not the type of character to throw out "planet busting" punches. Goes against everything he stands for.

Okays.

There was nothing suggesting he was capable of just busting mountains while he was punching H'el. He was sending shockwaves fro m earth's core to the watchtower in upper atmosphere while punching H'el. Far less has KTFO surfer.

Originally posted by cdtm
He beat down Beta Ray Bill, and held his own with Gladiator in a fist fight.

But he doesn't really need to slug it out.

His flight speed's faster, and he can shoot just fine at top speeds.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Yeah because Superman's blitz was so effective, instead of giving Orion bruises, it gave him a smile instead. Surfer would tank it just like Orion, if not better.

Plus these two are still fighting in character. Saying that Superman starts off with planet destroying blitzes before Surfer can even react, is as dumb as me saying Surfer will open up multiple black holes in Superman's anus at the start.

😂

Originally posted by Odekahn
1. Why would the burden of proof be on me? Either one of two things, Superman was holding back or Orion was able to take planet busting punches. Since Superman is known regularly to hold back you tell me which one is more likely?

2. If Superman wasn't holding back what else would Orion have to have tanked? Surviving a blitz by Superman at full force is a hell of a feat.

3. Thank you.

And what's wrong with posting respect threads?

4. They are both fighting at full capacity. It is within Superman's character to blitz an enemy when he's angry.

5. Is it within Surfers character to do that?

1. Burden of proof demands that the person making the assertion provides the proof.

Neither. The only thing that we can prove is that Superman was hitting Orion and not once did he demonstrate "planet busting punches".

2. Pls quantify said "feat of surviving a blitz from Superman" on how "hell" it is in relation to the thread at hand. Provide scans.

3. Did I say there was anything wrong with that? You asked for proof, I simply provided proof in the same way you provided it when you were asked.

4. Superman is not angry in this thread. And Surfer's travel speed is greater than this Superman's so a blitz might not be even possible.

5. Surfer has used planet busting omniblasts more times than Superman has used a blitz while employing planet busting punches.

Originally posted by abhilegend
There was nothing suggesting he was capable of just busting mountains while he was punching H'el. He was sending shockwaves fro m earth's core to the watchtower in upper atmosphere while punching H'el. Far less has KTFO surfer.

Why do you continue preaching the gospel of the house of El, Abhi? They have shunned you, now they have decided to judge you and soon they will no longer welcome you within their hallowed halls.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Well if we're going to assume Superman starts off with planet destroying punches, then it's only fair we assume Surfer will start with planet destroying omniblasts, which he's actually done multiple times.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
1. Burden of proof demands that the person making the assertion provides the proof.

Neither. The only thing that we can prove is that Superman was hitting Orion and not once did he demonstrate "planet busting punches".

2. Pls quantify said "feat of surviving a blitz from Superman" on how "hell" it is in relation to the thread at hand. Provide scans.

3. Did I say there was anything wrong with that? You asked for proof, I simply provided proof in the same way you provided it when you were asked.

4. Superman is not angry in this thread. And Surfer's travel speed is greater than this Superman's so a blitz might not be even possible.

5. Surfer has used planet busting omniblasts more times than Superman has used a blitz while employing planet busting punches.

1. Proof for what? That Superman is holding back a lot of times when he fights? Are you serious?

2. Huh?

3. No, your tone seemed negative though so I thought it implied.

4. Superman is trying to win the fight, and all fights are assumed full capacity in regards to forum fights.

5. Ok, please show me what you are talking about.

Originally posted by Odekahn
1. Proof for what? That Superman is holding back a lot of times when he fights? Are you serious?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Why do you continue preaching the gospel of the house of El, Abhi? They have shunned you, now they have decided to judge you and soon they will no longer welcome you within their hallowed halls.

Et tu nabisco? Also superman beats surfer's head in with his own board like Lunatik did.

Hey, no planets exploded when he did that!!!