If I didn't see how Grievous killed Ol' Daka in TCW, I would be more impressed on hearing "Grievous overpowered a sorceress who is powerful enough to resurrect an army of the undead" than I would be on hearing "Kun overpowered a sorceress who was powerful enough to create mass illusions."
Why should we be impressed with Kun overpowering the sorceress, and how does that suggest he would overcome Dooku in a force contest?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
It's very logical. Dooku produced more, he whirls his blade faster, he is faster.
This is perhaps the worst argument I've heard in this forum in years. Well done.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
If I didn't see how Grievous killed Ol' Daka in TCW, I would be more impressed on hearing "Grievous overpowered a sorceress who is powerful enough to resurrect an army of the undead" than I would be on hearing "Kun overpowered a sorceress who was powerful enough to create mass illusions."Why should we be impressed with Kun overpowering the sorceress, and how does that suggest he would overcome Dooku in a force contest?
That's just a fraction of the stuff I posted, and a fraction of the ridiculous Force feats explicitly shown in Kun's appearancs in DLotS and TSW comics. As much as I'd love to spend the next fifteen minutes hosting image captures and explaining the plainly written stuff on them, it's almost 3 am.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
If I didn't see how Grievous killed Ol' Daka in TCW, I would be more impressed on hearing "Grievous overpowered a sorceress who is powerful enough to resurrect an army of the undead" than I would be on hearing "Kun overpowered a sorceress who was powerful enough to create mass illusions."Why should we be impressed with Kun overpowering the sorceress, and how does that suggest he would overcome Dooku in a force contest?
Said sorceress could reduce people to charred skeletons with her blasts. Kun shrugged off her blast and one shot her.
Ancient Sith Lord and Jedi are overrated as a fighters. Their knowledge was prehaps greater, but their saber skills, and force skills that they were using in duels were much worse.
In my oponion, Exar wont be able to beat Maul in lighstaber fight. I doubt, that he would have an advantage over Savage. He was the best, but only in his era.
There is no proof, that, for example, Baas was better duelist then Siolo'urmanka. And we all know, that Maul - who wasn't even reach his prime as a duelist, was much better then Siolo.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
You said this.Fair. Then I'm comparing feats from a media both have been shown in, and Dooku simply comes off better. It's very simple.
I want to point out something:
Dooku's displayed more afterimages in a comic than Kun has. It's safe to point him out as the faster combatant.
^ This is not an objective indication of anything other than the preferred art style of the comic book creators. If you want to be this ridiculous, Exar Kun looks ripped compared to anyone in the PT, and could rip them all in half. Actually, considering his canon strength feats, that's probably true.
If you don't see how stupid this assertion is, there's no reason to debate with you.
Originally posted by Zett
Ancient Sith Lord and Jedi are overrated as a fighters. Their knowledge was prehaps greater, but their saber skills, and force skills that they were using in duels were much worse.
In my oponion, Exar wont be able to beat Maul in lighstaber fight. I doubt, that he would have an advantage over Savage. He was the best, but only in his era.
There is no proof, that, for example, Baas was better duelist then Siolo'urmanka. And we all know, that Maul - who wasn't even reach his prime as a duelist, was much better then Siolo.
I love this sweeping generalization. Let's ignore that the Jedi of Kun's time actively fought dark side users and some of their elders had completed genocide on the ancient Sith entirely. Lightsaber dueling is essential, and Exar Kun/Ulic are the top bar none of their entire era.
If you want to compare this to the 'legends' of the PT era, with their thousand years of not fighting Sith and their growing adherence to Niman, the Diplomat's Form, which resulted in huge losses at Genoshia, where no Sith took the field, go ahead and cling to that.
Exar Kun was one of the most dangerous Sith Lords in existence, which is impressive given his relative lack of age compared to most who came before and after him. If this really requires it, I'll provide the scans to cement this when I get home, because I'm getting the impression that no one around here but Neph knows what Kun can actually do.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I love this sweeping generalization. Let's ignore that the Jedi of Kun's time actively fought dark side users and some of their elders had completed genocide on the ancient Sith entirely. Lightsaber dueling is essential, and Exar Kun/Ulic are the top bar none of their entire era.If you want to compare this to the 'legends' of the PT era, with their thousand years of not fighting Sith and their growing adherence to Niman, the Diplomat's Form, which resulted in huge losses at Genoshia, where no Sith took the field, go ahead and cling to that.
Exar Kun was one of the most dangerous Sith Lords in existence, which is impressive given his relative lack of age compared to most who came before and after him. If this really requires it, I'll provide the scans to cement this when I get home, because I'm getting the impression that no one around here but Neph knows what Kun can actually do.
I agree with this and will back this up with my arguments from previous threads:
"I don't believe thats true.
In fact the Force had been thrown out of balance favoring the darkside so its stupid to think the PT-era would have a stronger connection than ever before. Mace clearly says that their ability to use the Force had diminished. Its also true that their martial prowess had stagnated, since they no longer had to face lightsaber wielding opponents. Makashi was an extreme rarity because of this and as the quote on the last page showed the majority of the Order favored Soresu because of its focus against blaster wielding opponents. So its illogical to think the era would be the best at lightsaber combat. The majority never faced a lightsaber in their lives.
Personally I think that the idea of the PT Jedi being the best is horseshit, since the very point of the Prequels is that the Jedi sucked ass.
Indeed, which applies more for the TOR-era than the PT-era, since they have experience fighting actual lightsaber-wielding opponents, both in the Great War, the Cold War and the war in TOR. Whereas the PT-era does not, since as you say most of their fighting was against retarded droids. And since we're talking about lightsaber prowess....."
Neph, the point of the prequels was that the jedi were actually well prepared to do direct battle with the sith, they just weren't prepared to be politically out-smarted by one.
The idea that the PT era was the prime of the jedi order is not retarded. Yoda makes it very clear in the ROTS novel that they had spent all those years hardening themselves to do battle. There are other eras that have more experience in actually fighting sith, but this does not automatically make them better. For example, even in RL, a person who grew-up fighting a lot can lose to someone who has never been in an actual fist fight but has been trained harder to fight. Likewise, a person who has trained hard to fight can lose to someone who hasn't trained as hard but has actually been in a lot of fights. There's no guarantee either way, as it all depends on who's better. In this case, Lucas considers the PT era as the prime, so perhaps they have been trained harder and better which beats out the experience of other eras.