Originally posted by iceman24567LOL at you not knowing what you are talking about. It has been proven that WW is faster combat wise on-panel. Also lol at people using feats of superman keeping up with flash when has made superman look like a fool when he WANTED TO. Flash already told superman that he only keeps up with him when he lets him, and the zoom scan gets a double LOL because when flash fought Zoom, superman was a freaking statue. Guess why superman could not help? Well, he was not fast enough, all on panel and not fan thought up.This is getting old yet its still funny how supes fans try and even the so-called speed thing. 😉 😉
LOL at Wonder Woman having better combat speed than Superman. She may have some serious reflexes but Superman pimpslaps her face off
Originally posted by abhilegendThats a flat out lie. Superman is not in flash league and it was proven ON-PANEL plenty of times.
Batman has also said he would rely on superman's reflexes when they were sharing powers instead of wonder woman's in Trinity. Stop acting like McDuffie who admitted that he was nerfing superman on purpose means its a universal truth.She "does" well against speedsters? Zoom was handling her like a child in both of his fights untill Rucka intervened with Zoom distracting himself in the first fight. Superman actually races speedsters on foot and does respectfully well against them to the point that barry allen was frustrated that superman stalemates him while holding back.
In Rebirth Superman matched Barry in speed when he left everybody including wonder woman in dust.
Professor Zoom tells that superman's reflexes nearly match his own
He catches Wally who was running out of control by racing him
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/flight/JLAClassified16a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/flight/JLAClassified16b.jpgHe has blitzed Bizarro who wonder woman had difficulty even seeing when he hit her etc.
In sacrifice he actually blitzed her and took her to the sun. The fact that he was missing hitting her due to the size difference between doomsday and her doesn't means shit. Batman has deflected lasers and HV too with ain-dodging, superman has raced lasers outright and came out on top.
Name one writer outside of mcduffie. Superman would stomp her in speed feats, he is outright stated to be in Flash's league in speed. Wonder Woman wishes she could be near superman in speed.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeStatements means nothing when flash leaves him in the dust on-panel and we watch on-panel where supes is as useless as batman when flash fought zoom. Superman could NEVER repeat what flash has done on-panel with speed.
Different writers different opinions. On panel you have statements from flash that differ. So all in all he is close enough.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
WW has two wins against Superman in fights where he was really trying to hurt her.But she really shouldn't win. Even with Mjolnir, I have a hard time seeing her beat him in threads. srug
I was not aware of this how many wins does Superman have over ww? Are they even or does one have the one up over the other?
Originally posted by dial J for JoshI don't recall any Superman wins over WW that's canon, though it should be noted that every fight he appears superior, or most anyway.
I was not aware of this how many wins does Superman have over ww? Are they even or does one have the one up over the other?
The old slap away fight was one such fight. As well as the "kicking" fight. In Sacrifice he kicked the shit out of her, but lost. As well as in the "Doomsday" fight where Circe turns him into a Doomsday, where he laid a beating on her but was taken down by the lasso, though that could be attributed to the Doomsday thing, but meh. That was right after OWAW too.
And a bunch of scuffles, like the one where he backhand punches her that ends in her getting stabbed by someone else after he plays possum, and Sacrifice when she ropes his neck when he tries to kill Batman, but he escapes and ****s with everyone else.
Those are the fights that spring to mind anyway.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
.In Sacrifice he kicked the shit out of her, but lost.
I will note that even before she won with the tiara throw, she laid some heavy damage to him too- I mean, how often do you see Superman limping and holding his ribs during a battle?
They kicked the shit out of each other.
And a bunch of scuffles, like the one where he backhand punches her that ends in her getting stabbed by someone else after he plays possum,
Yea, the Ten Circle, with the vampire 'Crucifier'. Who even comments on the two being evenly matched.
Though I forgive you if your mind blocked any of that out.
[quite]WW has two wins against Superman in fights where he was really trying to hurt her.
But she really shouldn't win.[/quote]
Think about it, why not? I mean, aside from their direct fights, she has foes who do just fine against Superman too. She fights gods who are stronger than him. Cheetah's taken out Superman. Circe I think has too. Hercules has gone up against Superman and done will enough. She beat old-school Sinestro.
She has a lot of fights against very powerful people, she's got the HtH skill edge (which helps reduce his strength edge), and she's got the magic edge, which traditionally helps CM a lot, only hers is better because it's not just magically charged punches, it's hax artifacts she's good with. The purpose of hax artifacts is to provide hax wins, after all.
To me it makes perfect sense that they're a good fight where he's got the stat edge but she's got some threats that can toss results back in the air.
Originally posted by Q99I realize. I said Superman played possum after he backhand punched her. Which indicated a battle. Usually people just post the backhand punch and think that's that.
Yea, the Ten Circle, with the vampire 'Crucifier'. Who even comments on the two being evenly matched.Though I forgive you if your mind blocked any of that out.
Though it would have been funny if he wouldn't have hit her and instead just looked like he got KO'ed...
But anyway, I understand she and her based characters have done well against him (though there's always Bizarro). But he's literally snapped her limbs easily. And if he isn't being an angry sponge, he should be able to avoid the "plot devices", though not saying he won't get hit, just that he should be able to avoid the things that led to his downfall before, like he's avoided the lasso before. And if she can't land those, she shouldn't beat him at all, though it'd be a fight until she goes to comaville.
There really shouldn't be a time he gets caught in the lasso unless he is just uncontrollably pissed.
Mjolnir complicates things, but I'm talking purely about her vs him here.
