Wonder Woman w/Mjlonir vs OWAW Superman

Originally posted by Q99

I will note that even before she won with the tiara throw, she laid some heavy damage to him too- I mean, how often do you see Superman limping and holding his ribs during a battle?

Think about it, why not? I mean, aside from their direct fights, she has foes who do just fine against Superman too. She fights gods who are stronger than him. Cheetah's taken out Superman. Circe I think has too.

Hercules has gone up against Superman and done will enough.

She beat old-school Sinestro.

😂

She has a lot of fights against very powerful people, she's got the HtH skill edge (which helps reduce his strength edge), and she's got the magic edge, which traditionally helps CM a lot, only hers is better because it's not just magically charged punches, it's hax artifacts she's good with. The purpose of hax artifacts is to provide hax wins, after all.

To me it makes perfect sense that they're a good fight where he's got the stat edge but she's got some threats that can toss results back in the air. [/B]

How it would go down.

😂

Also what happens when Wonder Woman gets mindcontrolled? Superman just scoops her like a petulant child and flies her away.

Superman after OWAW was more effective and powerful but with the power of Thor, Wonder Woman is not longer at a power disadvantage and her offensive and defense capabilities improve immensely. Throw in her other gear and superior skill and she gets my vote.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman after OWAW was more effective and powerful but with the power of Thor, Wonder Woman is not longer at a power disadvantage and her offensive and defense capabilities improve immensely. Throw in her other gear and superior skill and she gets my vote.

👆 Everytime hammers are involved, someone is grumpy at the moment 😄

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman after OWAW was more effective and powerful but with the power of Thor, Wonder Woman is not longer at a power disadvantage and her offensive and defense capabilities improve immensely. Throw in her other gear and superior skill and she gets my vote.

Originally posted by h1a8
Owaw Superman used his speed effectively and also multitasked. The only way she has a chance is through speed. Imo, the hammer would slow her down. It's attacks are slower than her normal attacks by a significant degree. Her character is to melee and not stay ranged. Superman can instant freeze her while blitzing.

And it really wasn't worth much outside of cool visuals. At the end of OWAW when he was at his most effective fighting besides Doomsday, he resorted to the usual brute force method. Hell, even earlier against the probes, when he got truly pissed and started beating them, it was after speed blitzing didn't do shit.

Throw in the fact that Wonder Woman can competitively match Superman's speed in hand to hand fighting, and it's not doing him any good.

Lol, why would the hammer slow her down by a significant degree? What the f*ck are you even basing that shit on when Captain America can swing around Mjolnir without any effort?

And she can drop lightning bolts in his face as she blocks his freeze breath. We can all think of fun, little, hypothetical scenarios.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And it really wasn't worth much outside of cool visuals. At the end of OWAW when he was at his most effective fighting besides Doomsday, he resorted to the usual brute force method. Hell, even earlier against the probes, when he got truly pissed and started beating them, it was after speed blitzing didn't do shit.

Throw in the fact that Wonder Woman can competitively match Superman's speed in hand to hand fighting, and it's not doing him any good.

Lol, why would the hammer slow her down by a significant degree? What the f*ck are you even basing that shit on when Captain America can swing around Mjolnir without any effort?

And she can drop lightning bolts in his face as she blocks his freeze breath. We can all think of fun, little, hypothetical scenarios.

A jab or kick is a lot quicker than a hammer swing and definitely a slam.
But mostly, Mjolnir abilities (like lightning) doesn't operate in nanoseconds like a quick melee hand attack could.
I'm not saying she wouldn't be fast with Mjolnir. I'm saying she would be FASTER without it.

How would she block freeze breath? It's not an energy attack. Superman would freeze both her and the hammer for a small moment. Lastly, I never known Mjolnir to emit lightning bolts (or any energy) while blocking.

Yeah, with the hammer she wins 10/10.

H1 doeant know what he is talking about...like usual.

Originally posted by carver9
H1 doeant know what he is talking about...like usual.

Then rebut my statements and stop trolling with these comments.
The hammer would make her slower than usual. Superman would ace her easier with his speed and multitasking ability.

Originally posted by h1a8
A jab or kick is a lot quicker than a hammer swing and definitely a slam.
But mostly, Mjolnir abilities (like lightning) doesn't operate in nanoseconds like a quick melee hand attack could.
I'm not saying she wouldn't be fast with Mjolnir. I'm saying she would be FASTER without it.

How would she block freeze breath? It's not an energy attack. Superman would freeze both her and the hammer for a small moment. Lastly, I never known Mjolnir to emit lightning bolts (or any energy) while blocking.

Having Mjolnir does not prevent her from kicking. And a hammer swing might be slower then a jab but it will be far more effective. Wonder Woman having competitive combat speed makes it irrelevant however.

What? If Wonder Woman wants to zap Superman with lightning, he can attempt to dodge but she also has a chance to land a hit. I'm not sure what this nonsense about Mjolnir abilities is. The hammer's powers have always been just as fast as the scene or comic needs.

With Mjolnir's defensive abilities? The hammer has a number of options available. Fyi, Mjolnir does not only block energy. I said drop lightning bolts, i.e. summon them. Not blast him with the hammer.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Having Mjolnir does not prevent her from kicking. And a hammer swing might be slower then a jab but it will be far more effective. Wonder Woman having competitive combat speed makes it irrelevant however.

What? If Wonder Woman wants to zap Superman with lightning, he can attempt to dodge but she also has a chance to land a hit. I'm not sure what this nonsense about Mjolnir abilities is. The hammer's powers have always been just as fast as the scene or comic needs.

With Mjolnir's defensive abilities? The hammer has a number of options available. Fyi, Mjolnir does not only block energy. I said drop lightning bolts, i.e. summon them. Not blast him with the hammer.

True, she can kick. Didn't think of that.

Slower swings = disaster.

I never seen Thor use a Mjolnir ability (like lightning) faster than a second. On average he summons the ability within a second or two.

Mjolnir can't block cold, it can block bullets, projectiles and energy though.
I can't see WW dropping bolts while Superman is attacking her. She will be on the defensive. That freeze breath is a crazy cheesy tactic. Without it she has a chance to win.

Originally posted by h1a8
True, she can kick. Didn't think of that.

Slower swings = disaster.

I never seen Thor use a Mjolnir ability (like lightning) faster than a second. On average he summons the ability within a second or two.

Mjolnir can't block cold, it can block bullets, projectiles and energy though.
I can't see WW dropping bolts while Superman is attacking her. She will be on the defensive. That freeze breath is a crazy cheesy tactic. Without it she has a chance to win.

Originally posted by h1a8
True, she can kick. Didn't think of that.

Slower swings = disaster.

I never seen Thor use a Mjolnir ability (like lightning) faster than a second. On average he summons the ability within a second or two.

Mjolnir can't block cold, it can block bullets, projectiles and energy though.
I can't see WW dropping bolts while Superman is attacking her. She will be on the defensive. That freeze breath is a crazy cheesy tactic. Without it she has a chance to win.

Not really. Especially since at Wonder Woman's strength level, Mjolnir weighs nothing.

I don't know if there's ever been an exact time given but Thor has fought practically every being in Marvel and I cannot recall a single instance where Mjolnir's powers have proven to be too slow to be effective. Even in moments when an opponent blasts Thor from point blank range etc.

If Mjolnir can block fire, why can it not block freeze breath? At this point, it is clear that Mjolnir can manipulate absolutely anything. The hammer has even created legitimate force fields outside of the barriers, whirlwinds, absorption and other defensive techniques.

What is this obsession with freeze breath? We've seen Diana break out of it in moments without Mjolnir. In this fight, she will be far more powerful.

Wonder Woman wins.

There are three or four people in this thread that I'm not even going to bother warning anymore. Bannings will come and that's that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
This is obviously false. She attacked his weak points, neck and knees to bring him down while he was breaking her arms with just squeezing hard. Nowhere was he limping or anything like that.

He broke her wrist... and wrists are more fragile than knees or ribs, if we're talking weak points.

And he came out of a crater clearly heavily favoring one side, holding his chest, and taking long strides.

You're also acting like hitting weak points isn't a legitimate strategy. If she can hit weak points more than he can, and she can, and that's specifically part of her skill set, that counts.

The bending over backwards you do here to not count what happens is pretty funny, you really do a lot of work to twist 'both sides hurt each other visibly' to only count for one side somehow.

Phil Jiminez explained it was due to his magic weakness.

Sure, which is why Superman said Cheetah's punches were like 'Captain Marvel's.'

Funny, Diana's also magic.

You mean a clone sinestro who nearly killed her and was only beaten by hercules' sucker attack?

The clone Sinestro where she pretty casually broke a couple constructs of and still was just trying to negotiate with before he caught her in the last one and then Herc did his thing?

Somehow, I don't think the last construct would've been the finishing blow after she'd just broken through multiple anyway.

Her durability is shitty to last any amount of time against him.

Except, y'know, the multiple times she has. Like, I can think of at least four times....

Take a look at For Tomorrow, for example. A scenario where neither is bloodlusted or mind controlled, they slam each other through a mountain side and such... and neither is hurt by it. Tenth Circle, the controlled Superman and WW stalemate. Sacrifice, well covered, both are going at full and both injure each other pretty heavily and then both go on to do other stuff, she takes on a trio of Alpha OMACs (the same level that gave J'onn and other strong heroes trouble) not more than an hour later and beats 'em.

Checkmate ranks her durability at A-1, the same general category as they rate Superman's. She's more vulnerable to cutting obviously, but she can take hits quite well.

Or that you're just using random showings to elevate her standing.

'Random showings' seems to include every single time they fight as well as in-characters opinions, from the authors Greg Rucka, John Bryne (writer of Man of Steel), Phil Jimenez, Christopher Moeller, Dwayne McDuffie, and Brian Azzarello, including in headline books under direct editorial oversight, and in Superman books, WW ones, JLA ones, and event ones.

'Non random showings' seems to be from... um... well, there isn't really an example of the two performing like you say he would, despite the commonness of their clashes.

Originally posted by h1a8
Then rebut my statements and stop trolling with these comments.
The hammer would make her slower than usual. Superman would ace her easier with his speed and multitasking ability.

WW can lift billions of tons and you think a hammer is going to slow down her momentum? Grab a piece of tissue and see if you can throw quick blows while its in your hand. WW swinging Mjlonir will not mess up her movement speed.

Originally posted by carver9
WW can lift billions of tons and you think a hammer is going to slow down her momentum? Grab a piece of tissue and see if you can throw quick blows while its in your hand. WW swinging Mjlonir will not mess up her movement speed.

Yes. If someone's worthy, it's pretty darn light, a normal human can carry it.