Darth Vader vs. Darth Malgus

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Who wins?

Darth Vader vs. Darth Malgus

So... which Dark Lord of the Sith is more powerful?

The two face off in the Geonosis Arena.
No prep, they start 100 feet apart.

* This is OT Vader.

1) Lightsabers
2) Force
3) All-out

hmm, in sabers I would most likely give it to vader, in force it's a tie, and in all out, I guess vader, though it is only very barely.

1. Malgus
2. Malgus
3. Malgus

Malgus proved on Aldeeran that he is beyond Vader; he defeated an opponent whose powers seemed to be on par with that of Vader.

vader: superior TK, on-par (if not superior) dueling ability, has more feats
equal: physical strength, pure speed
Malgus: superior agility, has force lightning/force maelstrom

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I don't think that Malgus falls short in TK aspect either. He blew apart the portion of rubble that fell over him during collapse of two buildings around his position and proceeded to duel the powerful opponent who was responsible for this event. It shall be kept in mind that Malgus was in bad shape during this encounter due to the events that took place earlier (shown in Hope trailer) and yet he was still virtually unstoppable after he got out from a previous mountain of rubble. Later on, he inflicted lot of damage to the Jedi Temple on Coruscant.

Malgus is embodiment of bad@ss(ness).

Yeah, but Vader has collapsed structures with said TK. He gets the edge there. Malgus's force maelstrom would be very dangerous for vader, though.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Yeah, but Vader has collapsed structures with said TK. He gets the edge there. Malgus's force maelstrom would be very dangerous for vader, though.

Jedi Temple on Coruscant is a gigantic structure actually:

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Also, Vader's feat of collapsing a structure is not going to help him against Malgus who have handled such threats before. And Malgus can utterly overwhelm Vader with his Force maelstrom talent. In-fact, Malgus have too much advantage.

Not saying vader would drop building on malgus, im saying that he could also use TK to overwhelm him, just as malgus can use his maelstrom. This fight could be considered a toss-up really. I'm sorry, what it the relevance of jedi temple size?

I don't think Vader can overwhelm Malgus with his TK abilities. Keep in mind that Malgus became more powerful after events on Aldeeran.

In-fact, you would be surprised by Satele's assessment of Malgus; she admitted that she stood no chance against him without help.

Lets face the reality; Vader is tough but he isn't that tough.

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Malgus collapsed whole columns of such a gigantic building.

I'm sorry, but vader isn't that tough? He has FAR more feats than malgus has, can easily match Malgus's agility (vader has faced opponents more agile than himself), Has more impressive force feats than malgus, has more impressive lightsaber feats than malgus, etc.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I'm sorry, but vader isn't that tough? He has FAR more feats than malgus has, can easily match Malgus's agility (vader has faced opponents more agile than himself), Has more impressive force feats than malgus, has more impressive lightsaber feats than malgus, etc.

Far more feats is not an argument; Vader is among the most heavily explored characters of the mythos, therefore the list of his feats is not surprisingly long. However, this doesn't suggests that he is stronger then all other "big names" who are less explored in comparison.

More impressive Force feats? I can comfortably assert that the Zabrak Jedi who collapsed two buildings around the position of Malgus, rivals Vader in Force feats. And yet Malgus outgunned him.

More impressive lightsaber feats? Malgus cut down Kao and Zallow (both whom are evidently superb swordsmen and not featless). In-fact, Malgus could literally chew through lot of Jedi with his abilities as he proved on Coruscant.

Malgus beat Darach due to superior strength/use of jar'kai, both of which will not come into play against vader. What feats does Zallow have? I don't doubt he is an impressive lightsaber duelist, but I doubt he's as impressive as vader in that regard. As I said, Malgus holds no edge with lightsaber ability, while Vader holds edge in TK, and Malgus holds edge with lightning/force Maelstrom. though Vader doesn't need to worry too much about the former.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Malgus beat Darach due to superior strength/use of jar'kai, both of which will not come into play against vader.

If enraged Luke can overwhelm Vader, so can Malgus.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
What feats does Zallow have? I don't doubt he is an impressive lightsaber duelist, but I doubt he's as impressive as vader in that regard.

Zallow killed any Sith warrior in his path (multiple opponents sometimes). He out-dueled even Lord Adrass. He was the best duelist inside the Jedi Temple, possibly superior to even Usma who is counted among the most celebrated duelists of the Order. Heck, he deflected blaster-bolts (aimed for him) back at their source with great precision without even looking at such opponents. Furthermore, Zallow was extremely agile and acrobatic as well.

Zallow is a BIG THING; his combat skill have been stated to be extremely refined and effective. He is regarded as the most impressive kill of Malgus. SWTOR encyclopedia counts him among the most famous and capable Jedi Knights of the Order.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
As I said, Malgus holds no edge with lightsaber ability, while Vader holds edge in TK, and Malgus holds edge with lightning/force Maelstrom. though Vader doesn't need to worry too much about the former.

Malgus is more then a match for Vader in all aspects. He is equaled only in strength factor here.

He did use dual blades against Darach, plus he showed superior physical strength, two advantages he won't have against vader. Said sith warriors have been outmaneuvered by fodder soldiers. Is lord adrass impressive in any way? Again, what advantage does malgus hold in lightsaber combat? Only one I can think of is agility, which vader can easily counter

Edit: Vader didnt really want to kill/overpower Luke....

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Zallow killed any Sith warrior in his path (multiple opponents sometimes). He out-dueled even Lord Adrass. He was the best duelist inside the Jedi Temple, possibly superior to even Usma who is counted among the most celebrated duelists of the Order. Heck, he deflected blaster-bolts (aimed for him) back at their source with great precision without even looking at such opponents. Furthermore, Zallow was extremely agile and acrobatic as well.

Zallow is a BIG THING; his combat skill have been stated to be extremely refined and effective. He is regarded as the most impressive kill of Malgus. SWTOR encyclopedia counts him among the most famous and capable Jedi Knights of the Order.

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Vader cuts him in half.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
He did use dual blades against Darach, plus he showed superior physical strength, two advantages he won't have against vader.

Malgus outgunned Darach because he managed to significantly tap in to his raw power (Malgus had immense Force potential) with his frame of mind at that moment. This feat is similar to that of Anakin's aboard Invisible Hand. And yes, he did use Jar Kai against Darach.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Said sith warriors have been outmaneuvered by fodder soldiers.

Sith warriors that were sent to destroy the Jedi Temple were far from mooks; Praven and Adraas were among them.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Is lord adrass impressive in any way?

Yes! He had decent Force abilities; destroyed a portion of the Temple floor by landing on it with force, killing many Republic troops in the process.

Adraas was also proficient in the use of advanced Sith applications such as FL and other shit.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Again, what advantage does malgus hold in lightsaber combat? Only one I can think of is agility, which vader can easily counter

Malgus can match Vader's strength blow to blow and can overwhelm him by fueling his power with his extremely refined mindset. Do not assume that Vader cannot be out-dueled by other great swordsmen. Both Luke and Marek out-dueled him.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Edit: Vader didnt really want to kill/overpower Luke....

Some canon sources disagree.

"Join me or you will be destroyed."

Do not forget that Vader chopped off the hand of his own son. Corruption of the dark side should not be underestimated.

Vader has taken bombs exploding on his chest and nay a scratch. He's casually defeated highly skilled assassins like they were nothing. Vader has beaten Jedi like the Dark Woman, council level members. I give it to Vader.

Alright. Can someone post a list of Malguses best feats?. Because as of know im going for Vader.