Originally posted by NephthysI recommend you watch the whole thing because its awesome, but if you just want the fight its at 2.20.
Oh yeah I've seen that before. It was pretty bad ass, but then Malgus beat him on his own.
That's what I mean about the taking on 2 opponents with dual blades thing. It happens in SW, even when sometimes they can't defeat just 1 of those guys.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Oh yeah I've seen that before. It was pretty bad ass, but then Malgus beat him on his own.That's what I mean about the taking on 2 opponents with dual blades thing. It happens in SW, even when sometimes they can't defeat just 1 of those guys.
Agreed. See Obi Wan vs maul and opress, and ventress vs. Anakin and Obi Wan
Originally posted by Intrepid37
meh
Snort! I bet if Vader treated the best Jedi Knights in the Republic like fodder you'd be all over that shit.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Not sure why you even brought up Scout. Zallow is still as random as Shryne.
He's said in SWTORE to be one of the most notable Jedi Knights in history. Malgus describes him as 'radiating power.'
Originally posted by Intrepid37
By virtue of feats, Kenobi would own Zallow too. :>
Nah.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Malgus:-Beat Darach
-Beat Zallow
-Beat Leneer
-Beat Satele
+power boostVader:
-Beat five of seven Jedi
-On another occasion beat multiple Jedi
-Beat Roan Shryne
-Equal with ANH Obi-Wan
-Equal with Marek
-Beat Dark Woman
-Beat Celeste Morne
+power boost
+skill boostIt's pretty clear that Vader is the winner imo.
More doesn't = better. Although I'll note that Malgus killed 10 Jedi in the Sack of Coruscant. Twice that of Vader. 😉
In one instance killing 3 at once in lightsabers. In a similar situation Vader got hit when he took on 3 Jedi at once in your scans.
Out of the people on your list only Marek is an impressive opponent, and he isn't equal to him seeing as he beat Vader in both lightsabers and the Force both times. Malgus beat Darach, the Jedi Battlemaster, when he was 20 and only got better from there. So the real list would be:
Beat Darach
+ 28 years of skill and power boosts
Beat Satale
Beat Zallow
Beat Leneer
+ Immense power boost
Originally posted by Intrepid37
You're essentially telling me that beating Satele isn't impressive.
No, I'm telling you that I don't know comics. What I do know is that the Dark Council were the most powerful Sith in the Empire. She was powerful enough to corrupt Jedi with her power.
Originally posted by Intrepid37Lord Vader did not mind waiting, though, nor was he even aware of it. For it was an honor, and a noble activity, to kneel at his ruler's feet. He kept his eyes inward, seeking reflection in his own bottomless core. His power was great, now, greater than it had ever been. It shimmered from within, and resonated with the waves of darkness that flowed from the Emperor. He felt engorged with this power; it surged like black fire, demon electrons looking for ground ... but he would wait. For his Emperor was not ready; and his son was not ready, and the time was not yet. So he waited.
-Return of the Jedi.
As I said, that doesn't give us any indication of how much he improved in power.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
We were obviously talking about TK, ****ing idiot.
Ahahahaha u mad? The fact is that Malgus did Force pwn him so theres no reason to doubt that his estimation was correct that he could kill the Jedi in a number of ways.
Malgus has lifted the rubble of two buildings and blown it away. In contrast Vader was trapped under that cathedral for days. Ooooh, so good! 😉
Originally posted by Intrepid37
From ANH-ESB and ESB-RotJ.We know ESB Vader=ESB Luke and RotJ Vader=RotJ Luke in skill. I'm pretty sure it's stated that Luke grew in skill inbetween ESB and RotJ though I'll have to look it up.
You haven't shown that they were large boosts at all and haven't really established that second boost at all. And also ESB Vader > Luke seeing as he beat him, lmao.
Furthermore, Vader as of ANH was a shadow of his former self. Going up from there doesn't put him on Malgus' level.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Snort! I bet if Vader treated the best Jedi Knights in the Republic like fodder you'd be all over that shit.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He's said in SWTORE to be one of the most notable Jedi Knights in history.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Malgus describes him as 'radiating power.'
Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah.
Originally posted by Nephthys
More doesn't = better. Although I'll note that Malgus killed 10 Jedi in the Sack of Coruscant. Twice that of Vader. 😉In one instance killing 3 at once in lightsabers. In a similar situation Vader got hit when he took on 3 Jedi at once in your scans.
Out of the people on your list only Marek is an impressive opponent, and he isn't equal to him seeing as he beat Vader in both lightsabers and the Force both times. Malgus beat Darach, the Jedi Battlemaster, when he was 20 and only got better from there. So the real list would be:
Beat Darach
+ 28 years of skill and power boosts
Beat Satale
Beat Zallow
Beat Leneer
+ Immense power boost
Originally posted by Nephthys
No, I'm telling you that I don't know comics. What I do know is that the Dark Council were the most powerful Sith in the Empire. She was powerful enough to corrupt Jedi with her power.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Ahahahaha u mad? The fact is that Malgus did Force pwn him so theres no reason to doubt that his estimation was correct that he could kill the Jedi in a number of ways.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Malgus has lifted the rubble of two buildings and blown it away. In contrast Vader was trapped under that cathedral for days. Ooooh, so good! 😉
Originally posted by Nephthys
You haven't shown that they were large boosts at all and haven't really established that second boost at all.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And also ESB Vader > Luke seeing as he beat him, lmao.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Furthermore, Vader as of ANH was a shadow of his former self. Going up from there doesn't put him on Malgus' level.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
I don't give a shit about your bets.
Wow, you're getting kinda rude. You might want to turn it down a bit, its only a debate.
Anyway, description of Zallow fodderising the best warriors the sith have:
"Malgus finally spotted Master Zallow ten paces away, whirling, spinning, his green blade a blur of precision and speed. One Sith warrior fell to him, another. Lord Adraas landed before him, trying to take Malgus’s kill for himself. Adraas ducked low and slashed at Zallow’s knees. Zallow leapt over the blow and unleashed a blast of energy that sent Adraas skidding on his backside across the hall."
"Zallow, for his part, moved toward Malgus. A Sith warrior bounded at Zallow from his left, but Zallow leapt over the Sith’s blade, spun, slashed, and cut down the Sith."
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Congratulations! You've promoted him to the status of... the mighty Qui-Gon Jinn, who is about equal to ANH Vader.
Cool, so I guess since Malgus beat him rather handily he's above ANH Vader and since he gained a huge boost after that he'd be above RoTJ Vader as well.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Calling me out on hyperboles then post this shit? Step up your game.
Hyperbole is inexact but still establishes a vague description. The obvious meaning of that quote is that Zallow is very powerful. Shryne is some random loser Jedi Knight who lost much of his connection to the Force. Oh yeah, and Vader doesn't even beat him in lightsaber combat, he's forced to beat him with the Force. And Shryne hits him twice in their duel. Ouch. Not looking good for Vader.
Meanwhile Zallow was in charge of the Jedi Temple and was above people like Kellian Jarro, Ursa and Corin Tok.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
You're a ****ing joke if you believe this.
Wow, again with the hostility. If you're getting pissed off over this maybe we should stop. I hate to ruin our fwendship over this.
Anyway, I disagree that Kenobi would own him. Zallows feats of owning the best Sith Warriors the Empire had plus his superiority to Jedi such as Kellian Jarro, who soloed over a hundred veteran Madalorians in that battle, Ursa, one of the Jedis best duelists and Corin Tok, who did so well in the battle that he was believed to be invincible, make it so that I think he could at least give Kenobi a good fight. Plus its not as if Kenobi's Soresu style enables him to "own" people easily. It is a passive style afterall.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Only Marek is impressive, but beating Darach, Satele, Zallow and Leneer is impressive? Give me a break.
Hell yeah it is. Darach showed extremely good lightsaber skills and was the Jedi Battlemaster and also displayed powerful TK by throwing a van-sized starship engine at Malgus. And Malgus beat him when he was only 20. With 28 years of solid war left he'd become much more skilled and powerful after that. Then he gains a huge boost in power at the end of the war and has a further 13 years left to develop his skills and power until TOR.
Zallow I've established above. You've already conceded about Satales skill and power. Ok so, Leneer is also very powerful, as shown by her fight with Malgus and her utter dominance of lesser Sith:
"The male Sith reached for his lightsaber. Before he could activate it, Aryn unleashed a blast of power that lifted both Sith from their feet and blew them into the wall. Two Alderaanian statues, caught in the effect of her power, slammed into the wall to either side of the Sith and shattered into chunks.
The Sith must have used the Force to cushion their impact, for neither appeared hurt. Both leapt to their feet and spaced themselves apart for combat. Hilts came to hands and their lightsabers made red lines in the air. The male held his blade high over his head in an unusual style, awaiting her charge, light on the balls of his feet. The female held hers low, in a variant on the medium style.
Behind her, Aryn heard the hum of Syo activating his blade. She did not slow her advance. Using the Force, she jerked the male’s hilt from his hand and brought it flying into her own grasp. Then she tossed it aside, and his sneer melted in the heat of his surprise.
She advanced on him, heedless of the woman, imagining the feel of her hands on his throat. He answered her approach with a blast of power, but she made a V with her hands, formed a wedge with her will, and deflected the blast to either side of her. More statues toppled, shattered. The female Sith, caught in the deflected blast, was thrown backward ten paces.
She closed to five paces, four. The male Sith took a fighting stance. They would fight not with lightsabers but with their hands—close, bloody work. Aryn used the Force to augment her strength, her speed. She felt it flowing within and around her, turning her body into a weapon—
“Aryn Leneer!” a commanding voice said, Master Dar’nala’s voice. “Jedi Knight Aryn Leneer!”
And yet when Malgus got serious he owned her as easily as she owned that Sith.
Now lets look at your list:
1) Multiple Jedi.
2) Roan Shryne - A Jedi Knight of no note worthy ability and with his connection to the Force stunted. Excuse me while I sneer.
3) ANH Obi-Wan - A shadow of his former self.
4) Marek - Incredible combatant, but given that Vader lost to him in both fights and is stated to latter diminish meh, still "good".
5) The Dark Woman - What is she, like 80? Powerful, she was pretty good I guess. Also she disarmed Vader? Lmao. What a fantastic feat for him. 😆
6) Celeste Morne - A Jedi Knight. Nothing notable about her really that I can recall.
Oh and I see you also ignored the fact that Malgus killed fodder Jedi in greater numbers than Vader. Kukukuku.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
That was, expectedly, not very convincing. Keep it going.
Hmm? No, I think we're done here.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Uh, that he killed Leneer with lightning does not mean that he could TK him.
Uh, Leneer?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Right, he lifted [b]some of the rubble of two unsubstianted buildings. Come back when he can rip apart massive droids, pull over huge ****ing trees, throw ships.[/b]
I've already given my estimation of the buildings, which you did not contest. EIther way, Malgus is described as being under a mountain of rubble, which he then blew away. Plus they were actual durascrete buildings as opposed to the cathedral Vader pulled down which looks like its made of ****ing glass, lol.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Haha, apparantly you didn't read the words, ''Vader is thus a far more formidable foe than he was against Ben Kenobi on the Death Star''.
In skill. We're talking about his "power upgrade."
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Not in skill.
Really? I guess I must have imagined it when Vader was kicking his ass at the start of the fight while using one hand. Forcing him down to the floor contemptuously with one hand. Which kinda contradicts the idea that they only advantage Vader had was experience! 😆 He's obviously stronger than Luke at that point. Then he disarms him and has him completely at his mercy. Then he starts smacking him around with thrown objects which Luke hilariously fails to hit with his lightsaber. Then he beats him again and tells him to surrender. After they resume fightying he then kicks his ass and cuts off his hand.
But no, they were total equals! Theres no way you can watch that fight without understanding that!
Unless you have eyes. 😐
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Right, but beating Zallow before getting a powerboost puts him above Vader?
No, but it puts him on a level with him in terms of lightsaber skill.
In 22 BBY, Vader single-handedly moved a Conqueror-class atmospheric dreadnaught with such velocity that the missiles looked to have barely moved. These missiles are traveling at thousands of meters/second. Vader made that structure move at near equal velocity. This was only 5 months after Geonosis.
If going by kinetic energy produced, Dooku's push against Obi-Wan in Episode III movie is still better.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Conqueror-class_atmospheric_dreadnaught
"In 22 BBY—five months after the Battle of Geonosis and the outbreak of the Clone Wars—the Confederacy invaded the planet Terra Sool"
"Skywalker joined the battle, but his fighter was damaged during the engagement, forcing him to crash-land on a dreadnaught's top side.
...
Kenobi began to engage the other Confederate dreadnaughts and contacted Skywalker, informing his apprentice that the Confederate fleet had launched two waves of missiles to raze Terra Sool's surface. Seeing the oncoming missiles, Skywalker used his mastery of the Force and his lightsaber skills to dispatch the missiles, including grabbing another Conqueror dreadnaught with the Force and moving the vessel in the way of a wave of missiles, destroying both the Conqueror dreadnaught and the missiles simultaneously."
That's about 27 years before RotJ Anakin peaked.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Wow, you're getting kinda rude. You might want to turn it down a bit, its only a debate.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Anyway, description of Zallow fodderising the best warriors the sith have:"Malgus finally spotted Master Zallow ten paces away, whirling, spinning, his green blade a blur of precision and speed. One Sith warrior fell to him, another. Lord Adraas landed before him, trying to take Malgus’s kill for himself. Adraas ducked low and slashed at Zallow’s knees. Zallow leapt over the blow and unleashed a blast of energy that sent Adraas skidding on his backside across the hall."
"Zallow, for his part, moved toward Malgus. A Sith warrior bounded at Zallow from his left, but Zallow leapt over the Sith’s blade, spun, slashed, and cut down the Sith."
Originally posted by Nephthys
Cool, so I guess since Malgus beat him rather handily he's above ANH Vader and since he gained a huge boost after that he'd be above RoTJ Vader as well.
A human male Jedi Knight separated from the swirl of battle and stabbed at Malgus. Malgus sidestepped the blue line of the blade, punched the man in the stomach, doubling him over, and raised his own blade for a killing blow.
Zallow bounded forward and intercepted the downstroke. Zallow and Malgus stared into each other’s faces and the rest of the battle fell away.
There was only Malgus and his rage, and Zallow and his calm.
Their blades sizzling in opposition, each used the Force to press against the strength of the other, but neither had an obvious advantage. Malgus shouted rage into Zallow’s face. Only a furrowed brow and the tight line of his mouth betrayed the tension behind Zallow’s otherwise tranquil expression.
Feeding off the anger from Eleena, Malgus shoved Zallow away and unleashed an onslaught of overhand slashes and crosscuts. Zallow backed off, parrying, unable to respond with blows of his own. Malgus tried to split Zallow’s head but Zallow blocked again and again.
Malgus spun into a high, Force-augmented kick that hit Zallow in the chest and sent him flying backward ten meters. Zallow flipped and landed upright in a crouch near two of Malgus’s Sith warriors.
They lunged for him and Zallow parried one blow, leapt over the second, and spun a rapid circle, cutting down both Sith.
Malgus, burning with hate, flung his lightsaber at Zallow. He guided its trajectory with the Force, and it spun a sizzling path through the air at Zallow’s neck. But Zallow, riding the momentum of his attack on the second Sith, leapt into the air and over the blade.
While Zallow was still in the air, Malgus unleashed a blast of energy that caught the Jedi unprepared and sent him crashing downward into a pile of rubble. He lay there, prone.
Malgus did not hesitate. He mounted the column of his anger, shouting with hate, and leapt twenty meters into the air toward Zallow. Mid-jump, he used the Force to recall his blade to his hand, took a reverse two-handed grip, and prepared to pin Zallow to the Temple floor.
But Zallow rolled out of the way at the last moment and Malgus’s blade sank to the hilt in the stone of the Temple’s floor. Zallow leapt up and over Malgus, landed in a crouch, reactivated his lightsaber, and pelted across the floor back at Malgus.
Eschewing speed and grace for power, Zallow loosed a flurry of rapid strikes, slashes, and lunges. Malgus parried one blow after another but could not find an opening to mount his own counterattack. Lunging forward, Zallow slashed crosswise, Malgus parried, and Zallow slammed the hilt of his saber into the side of Malgus’s jaw.
A tooth dislodged and his respirator was knocked askew. Malgus tasted blood, but he was too deep in the Force for the blow to do real damage. He staggered backward a step, as if the blow had stunned him.
Seeing an opening, Zallow stepped forward and crosscut for Malgus’s throat.
As Malgus knew he would do.
Malgus turned his blade vertical to parry the blow and spun out of the blade lock. Reversing his lightsaber during the spin, he rode it into a stab that pierced Zallow’s abdomen and came out the other side.
Zallow’s expression fell. He hung there, impaled by the red line. He held Malgus’s eyes, and Malgus saw the flames of the burning Temple reflected in Zallow’s green irises.
“It is all going to burn,” Malgus said.
Zallow’s brow furrowed, perhaps with pain, perhaps with despair. Either way, Malgus enjoyed it. He waited for the light to disappear from Zallow’s eyes before jerking his blade free and allowing the body to fall to the floor.
Don't have time for the rest atm.
