Originally posted by Nephthys
Ok first up it doesn't need to be the HoT and the Barsen'thor. It could be them or it could be Darth Nox/Emperor's Wrath.
Yes, I know. I was referring to HoT/Barsen’thor simply because I know more about them.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Secondly, it isn't 3 other Jedi. Its the Hero of Tython, the Barsen'thor, the Voidhound (Smuggler, awesome name btw) and the Havoc Squad Commander (Trooper) / Darth Nox, The Emperor's Wrath, The Grand Champion of the Great Hunt (Bounty Hunter) and Cipher 9 (Imperial Agent). Both teams are comprised of 2 Force Using classes and 2 Non-Force using classes. And in the case of the non-Force users the Bounty Hunter is the only one with really good feats.
Ok.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Thirdly your Sidious comparison isn't correct. Since Windu is = to Sidious and Palps still took him on with Fisto, Kolar and Tiin.
Nah, I think you misunderstood my analogy.
Even if we assume Windu = Sidious, still Sidious wasn’t fighting TWO Windus, and this is precisely what my analogy introduces.
And given that you view HoT as Malgus superior, an analogy with Sidious would be:
Sidious vs. Windu AND Yoda, in which case Sidious is fvcked.
The same applies to Malgus vs. Barsen’thor and HoT.
The fact that those two didn’t murder Malgus is quite strange to me.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Fourthly my headcanon is:
HoT > Malgus (via beating someone superior to him, Vitiate, who by the way is stated to be more powerful than Malgus in SWTORE)
Barsen'thor = Malgus (Supremely good Force feats. Beat an Ancient Sith Lord amped on the power of hundreds of Jedi Masters. Beat the First Son.)
Darth Nox = Malgus (Has the power of SIX (Theres another one you get on Voss) spirits, 4 of which are Sith Lords. Casually dominated Darth Thanaton.)
The Emperor's Wrath < Malgus (I don't really know anything about him but I've not seen anything that makes me think he's equal to Malgus)
Ok. Now I see where you stand.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Then of the non-Force users I don't really know. The Havoc Squad Commander is by far the best soldier in the Republic so pretty good? The Smuggler is an incredible fighter but other than that not much to go on? Cipher 9 is the best Imperial Agent in the Empire so I guess good? They beat a Jedi Master at least. And then the Grand Champion has actual great feats in beating Kellian Jarro, a Jedi Master who killed over a hundred veteran Mandalorians in the Sack of Coruscant, Jun Seros, the Orders Battlemaster whose never been defeated before and Darth Tormen, an extremely powerful Sith Lord who once blitzed another Sith in a Kaggath (as described in SWTORE).
Cool. Very informative.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Lastly, as to the actual point, extremely skilled combatants can fight people close to them in power without being pwned. This doesn't make them better than them, merely showing that they are very good and can't be taken out that easily, even when they are outmatched. As Malgus was. Ventress has duelled Anakin and Obi-Wan for lengths of time despite not being superior, or maybe even equal to either of them. Obi-Wan fought Maul and Savage Opress to a victory despite being at a disadvantage and not superior to Maul.
To my knowledge, neither Anakin/Kenobi nor Maul/Savage wanted to kill their opponents. They were going to subdue them.
Moreover, Maul/Savage fight was noted to be circumstantial (the brothers were hampered by enclosed space—simply not enough space to maneuver in the cave).
I’m not sure if the same can be said about HoT/Barsen’thor fight with Malgus.
Still, you raise a good point.
TBH As I said, I was being nitpicky and thus not necessarily pushing my little nitpicky theory.
That being said, I am leaning towards Vader.
The case that Intrepid makes for him, plus my knowledge of Vader’s abilities make me do so. However, I have to say I have a new found respect for Malgus. Thanks to the points raised here I rank him a bit higher than I did previously.