Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
He was only faking "weakness" after Anakin had arrived and Sidious was already on his back. GL was referring to the Force Lightning portion where Sidious attempts to fricassee Mace Windu with lightning and then says he's "too weak."
Yeah what I said in my original post. Mace did overpower him in pure saber dueling fight but Sidious did not lose the overall fight because he started faking weakness before it was settled. We dont know what would have happened had Sidious brought his full force power into it but as far as sabers go Mace is unquestionably top tier, which is why I said hes simply too much for Vader in the end.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
😑 Regardless of the end result, you insinuated that Mace had never fought faster than his opponents could see, and I provided evidence to the contrary. 🤘
Vader, on the other hand, has blitzed Roan Lands before Ferus Olin could properly react.
Last of the Jedi: Secret Weapon
He raced down the last hallway, turning toward the door where Roan and Amie waited. He skidded to a halt. Darth Vader stood between him and his friends.Vader didn't turn. "Ah, Olin has joined us. Perhaps you can explain what these thieves are doing here."
"I was asked by the Emperor to keep an eye on security here," Ferus said, improvising. Vader wouldn't be able to check until later. And later Ferus would be back underground or off-planet.
If it worked.
"I can take them into custody," he said.
Vader half turned. "Do you think I do not recognize Roan Lands? Do you think I would be foolish enough to let you take him away?"
"He is a former associate, yes, but -"
It happened before he could get out another word. Faster than an eyeblink. Faster than he'd seen anyone move, anyone except Yoda.
The lightsaber hadn't been there, and then it was, and the lightsaber was a blur. Vader moved without seeming to move, and the lightsaber sliced into Roan, straight into his chest. Straight into his heart.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
No, he never did. He fought faster, but not so fast that Vastor was unable to track his movements. You also ignore the fact that he only accomplished this just after he had telekinetically injured Vastor.
But where Vastor's speed was blinding, Mace's was invisible. Not one of those slaps connected. Before Vastor could even focus his eyes, Mace had hit him six times: two thundering hooks to his short ribs, a knee slamming hard into the same thigh he'd hit before, an elbow snapping up to the point of his chin, and two devastating palm strikes to either hinge of his jaw.
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"This is called Vaapad, Kar." A fierce light burned in Mace's eyes. "How many arms do you see?"
Yes - Mace moving so fast that Vastor could not count 2 ***king arms means that he was unable to track his movements at the time.
Moreover, Mace hit vastor 6 times before he could so much as blink.
In addition, a force user of Vastor's magnitude not being able to track Mace at the time is far more impressive in Windu's favor than Ferus Olin not being able to "react properly" to Darth Vader attacking an unarmed person.
Originally posted by Arhael
But where Vastor's speed was blinding, Mace's was invisible. Not one of those slaps connected. [b]Before Vastor could even focus his eyes, Mace had hit him six times: two thundering hooks to his short ribs, a knee slamming hard into the same thigh he'd hit before, an elbow snapping up to the point of his chin, and two devastating palm strikes to either hinge of his jaw.
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"This is called Vaapad, Kar." A fierce light burned in Mace's eyes. "How many arms do you see?" [/B]
This also.
Originally posted by Arhael
But where Vastor's speed was blinding, Mace's was invisible. Not one of those slaps connected. [b]Before Vastor could even focus his eyes, Mace had hit him six times: two thundering hooks to his short ribs, a knee slamming hard into the same thigh he'd hit before, an elbow snapping up to the point of his chin, and two devastating palm strikes to either hinge of his jaw.
...
"This is called Vaapad, Kar." A fierce light burned in Mace's eyes. "How many arms do you see?" [/B]
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
In addition, a force user of Vastor's magnitude not being able to track Mace at the time is far more impressive in Windu's favor than Ferus Olin not being able to "react properly" to Darth Vader attacking an unarmed person.
Mace's speed...last I checked was invisible....
Quote;Anakin aka Vader described Mace as fading in and out of existence....
That's ...ummm...pretty impressive to me....(in Vader's voice ) Most impressive.....
standard....isn't that close to basic? or average?
Ferus Olin is as average as average can be...and a poor example.
Kar Vastor is better than Ferus...and faster...
The quotes are already here...I don't need to repeat anything....
except a quote from Shatter Point.....
A fundamental principle of combat:Use what you are given.
How you fight depends on whom you fight.
His opponent,Vader....saber to saber...not easily won...but its a win...for Mace.
His current opponent...Vader's vicious telekinetic assault....
I looked at this at every angle ......Mace has skill in telekinesis....
Last I checked Mastery in it and the Force....
And last I checked Vaapad is part saber...and part Force....
unarmed combat and state of mind....
Shatter Point described Mace's (my personal word) Vaapad state....
I do not hit... It hits all by Itself....on pp160,161,162,and 163...(too much to write)
He was too deep in Vaapad to make a plan,too deep even to think,but he was a Jedi Master:
he didn't have to think...He knew.
He gave more and more of himself over to the Force,letting it move his hands,his feet,letting
it guide him through battle.
He felt a hostile presence lunge towards his back he whirled with effortless speed
and amethyst light splashed fire through the long durasteel blade of a knife in a small
hand.
A sliced off piece skittered across the ground and green dropped like an ax for the kill...
And stopped,trembling -
one centimeter above a brown-haired head.
Brown hairs curled,crisped,and blackened in green fire.
I'll leave this for now... I'm working on a Juyo /Vaapad respect thread...