Originally posted by Zett
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It's clear, that Anakin is Vader's supierior in sabers.
Beg your pardon but no it's not. Darth Vader (ANH-ROTJ) is a way better swordsman than when he was Anakin.
Watch the climactic duel in ROTS. Anakin is spinning and twirling his lightsabre around, passing it from hand to hand, turning his back on his foe etc. All style, no substance.
Now watch Vader in the Original Trilogy. He's vastly more economic and energy-conservative with his movements. He looks like he's actually fighting, not just putting on a show.
"Anakin" may be faster but he's not more skilled.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Dave Filoni is prejudiced. Mace is black, gets no respect. Maul is black and red, is a kitten compared to his old self. Barriss is yellow, she is made evil for no good reason. You heard it here first.
That's a very good point I think you're onto something.
I haven't watched all of CW for obvious reasons (there's not enough Ragnos) but I suspect, based on my limited experience, it overwhelmingly favors whities (Obi-Wan, Sidious, and Anakin).
Also, I think there is a good argument for OT Vader stomping PT Vader. For one thing, ANH duel was entirely hamstrung by movie technology of the era. As I described before the lightsabers both required a power source hidden on the actors and were rather flimsy, so the fighting was minimal. This was alleviated by ESB, but the fights were mostly a mix of kendo and classic swashbuckling that's generic in most movies. The swordmaster, Bob Anderson IIRC, was himself an Olympic fencer.
Flash forward to the PT, you have Nick Gillard as the swordmaster and the sabers are much more resilient and cgi is advanced, so we have these wushu fights bordering on stupid. If I took the time (As I have done in the past with fights such as Sids v Yoda, TPM Finale, and Dooku v Yoda) to analyze them move for move, the PT fighters, while more acrobatic, are less efficient. They rotate like tops (which is foolish), they do not act as if they have precog consistently, and they randomly do absolutely stupid shit, like Yoda bouncing behind his opponents without striking, easily telegraphed front flips, and telegraphed stabs. The only good duelists in the PT are Maul and Dooku, becuase both were done by fighting experts. Ray Park, wushu practitioner, did Maul and an expert fencer who's name eludes me played Dooku's fighting double, although Chris Lee himself can fence.
Really swordfighting in the PT was dumb.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I wouldn't say that. Vader is an extremely good duelist. Yes, better than he was as Anakin in terms of skill. He is disadvantaged in terms of agilty, but I don't think that holds him back enough that he'd actually lose to his past self.
Of course he'd lose a Saber duel to ROTS Anakin. Your talking about the guy who took out Count Dooku. And even as of TCW was consistently stalemating him.
Not that Vader isn't a Powerful Saber duelist. He obviously is. But you'd be hard pressed to make an argument that he's on par with the likes of Count Dooku.
An all out is a different game though. Since Vader is a Force Tk Beast. But even then I wouldn't count TCW/ROTS Skywalker out as he's shown he can tank a helluva lot of TK.