Originally posted by swandivelmeistr
I'm sorry, ChaosTheory123 updated the smough's hammer feat. It upgrades it from 4 tons of TNT in force to 175.9. Jesus. Even as a Dark Souls fanboy I'm surprised. And the CU can dish out 3.14 tons of tnt in a single swing, so town level durability is actually looking viable.
Actually, since he can parry Gwyn, who should be stronger than Smough, the CU should be able to dish out more than 175.9 tons of tnt.
Originally posted by swandivelmeistr
Very true, but if Tsun is anything like a Daedric Prince, it's some serious PIS that the D could stalemate him.
Tsun should be a weakling outside of Mundus, so it isn't PIS at all. When the Aedra gave up a part of themselves to create the Mundus, they gave up most of their power. Inside of the Mundus however, they are as powerful as a Daedric Prince is in his realm. The battle took place in Sovngarde which is Shor's realm. So Tsun was at terms with the Dragonborn at least while in there.
And talking about what NemeBro said about tanking the combined Thu'um of the Greybeards, keep in mind this Thu'um reduced to ash a superpowered avatar that solo armies all by himself
Originally posted by trexalfa
Tsun should be a weakling outside of Mundus, so it isn't PIS at all. When the Aedra gave up a part of themselves to create the Mundus, they gave up most of their power. Inside of the Mundus however, they are as powerful as a Daedric Prince is in his realm. The battle took place in Sovngarde which is Shor's realm. So Tsun was at terms with the Dragonborn at least while in there.And talking about what NemeBro said about tanking the combined Thu'um of the Greybeards, keep in mind this Thu'um reduced to ash a superpowered avatar that solo armies all by himself
Look, I never said that Unrelenting Force isn't impressive and powerful as all hell. A full strength one would eradicate the CU, even with his upgrade I mentioned.
The problem with it is SPEED. Not only do you have to say ALL THREE WORDS to get the full effect (anything less would tickle the CU), it travels at a speed much slower (about 200 m/s slower) than the CU can react. On top of that, performing a Thu'um leaves the D completely open to attack while performing it. On top of THAT, the window at which it actually does damage is much smaller the closer you get, furthing limiting its use.
An attack that moves at the speed of sound just isn't that effective against a supersonic (possibly hypersonic if you consider his feat of dodging the Iron Golem's shockwaves) opponent.
Knowhatahmsaiyan?
Originally posted by swandivelmeistr
Look, I never said that Unrelenting Force isn't impressive and powerful as all hell. A full strength one would eradicate the CU, even with his upgrade I mentioned.The problem with it is SPEED. Not only do you have to say ALL THREE WORDS to get the full effect (anything less would tickle the CU), it travels at a speed much slower (about 200 m/s slower) than the CU can react. On top of that, performing a Thu'um leaves the D completely open to attack while performing it. On top of THAT, the window at which it actually does damage is much smaller the closer you get, furthing limiting its use.
An attack that moves at the speed of sound just isn't that effective against a supersonic (possibly hypersonic if you consider his feat of dodging the Iron Golem's shockwaves) opponent.
Knowhatahmsaiyan?
Reaction time doesn't matter when you can slow down time and become intangible
Originally posted by trexalfa
Reaction time doesn't matter when you can slow down time and become intangible
I covered this in one of my other posts but ill do so again. CU has his own version of slow time called tranquil walk of peace that increases the gravity around an opponent. It does nearly the same thing for just as long without slowing down the user. Besides, what's to stop the CU from killing him as he speaks the words. He's fast enough to do so.
And become ethereal is only useful to give yourself a breather. You can't fight while in that state.
So yes, reaction time is critical, especially if you can dodge your opponents deadliest attacks easily.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Doesn't dova have a shout that would freeze him solid?
That on top, but CU has the change to dodge it as he is putting. His reflexes must be atonishing
But second, keep in mind that cooldowns are gameplay mechanics, Dragonborn can probably shout himself in and out of ethereal state. It doesn't matter how fast he has to say the words, the Thu'um works by trying to send a meaning through the words.
Originally posted by KingD19
Pretty sure while Storm Call involves magic, it's real lightning striking from the sky at lightning speeds. Dodging that puts Dova at a super high speed level doesn't it?
I thought about that, and I'd have to say its a gameplay anachronism. There's nothing else to suggest he can move that fast. Dodging a shout lines up much more with his skill set. Like I said, I doubt the inhabitants of Skyrim are all relativistic.
Originally posted by trexalfa
Dragon Aspect should be powerful enough to tank CU.
He's fought dragons before and beaten them.
And the CU isn't defenseless during that time. He has Iron Flesh and other such spells and equipment that can keep them occupied. Dragon Aspect would at best delay the inevitable outcome.
Originally posted by trexalfa
That on top, but CU has the change to dodge it as he is putting. His reflexes must be atonishingBut second, keep in mind that cooldowns are gameplay mechanics, Dragonborn can probably shout himself in and out of ethereal state. It doesn't matter how fast he has to say the words, the Thu'um works by trying to send a meaning through the words.
It's all relative. Most characters from the HST would speed blitz the CU into a fine red mist. The CU is simply faster than D, so most of D's attacks are going to be ineffective.
And I'm willing to accept cool downs as non canon, but you still have to say the words, which has to take some time. It's unclear how fast is TOO fast, but he needs to say and pronounce the words, right? It'll be fast, but probably not fast enough, especially against an ******* character who likes to fish for backstabs lol
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
What if he illusions his foe? Blast his foe full of pacify then shouts him up.
Pacify is level capped at level 20, meaning it wouldn't work on more powerful opponents. Seeing as the CU has by the end game become somewhat of a low level deity, I doubt it'd effect him. I'm not trying to say level caps are canon, only that BECAUSE of the level cap, it canonically wouldn't work on a stronger opponent.
Originally posted by KingD19
But who all dodges lightning aside from him? Usually when I cast Storm Call, people get hit with it.
People that aren't trying to dodge it. The D's speed in game isn't really that different from others. Look, all I'm saying is that it's a blatant outlier based entirely on limitations in the gameplay. Not even the lore (that massively inflates his power compared to in game) gives him feats like that.
The dragonslayer arrow dodging feat is backed up by both gameplay and a cutscene (and physics to an extent) as well as other feats of similar magnitude.
Originally posted by swandivelmeistr
Pacify is level capped at level 20, meaning it wouldn't work on more powerful opponents. Seeing as the CU has by the end game become somewhat of a low level deity, I doubt it'd effect him. I'm not trying to say level caps are canon, only that BECAUSE of the level cap, it canonically wouldn't work on a stronger opponent.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Fine . Harmony(or whatever the top calm spell is) the guy, then shout him.
Still level-capped. And vow of silence would eliminate both of their abilities to perform magic, turning it into a relatively quick melee fight. On top of that, the CU has magical barrier spells too. Basically the point I'm trying to get across is that shouts and magic aren't useful in a fight against the CU.
Originally posted by swandivelmeistr
Still level-capped. And vow of silence would eliminate both of their abilities to perform magic, turning it into a relatively quick melee fight. On top of that, the CU has magical barrier spells too. Basically the point I'm trying to get across is that shouts and magic aren't useful in a fight against the CU.
You fail to understand that a level cap is a gameplay mechanic which are thought out to make the game balanced. If they powered the shouts using lore as a base, I bet Dragonborn just one shots everything in the game but Alduin and Miraak
You talk about CU being a low level deity in Dark Souls, when I previously told you that the Last Dragonborn is somewhere arround that level after Dragonborn DLC. Never fyck with a guy who defeated a World Eating God of Time Dragon, and the First Dragonborn who had power from Hermaeus Mora and brainwashed a whole island into mindless cultists.
Shouts are as effective as all hell. One Fus Roh Dah could simply bust the whole battlefield. Wulfharth could disintegrate people by whispering! I doubt last Dragonborn is ages weaker than him
Originally posted by trexalfa
You fail to understand that a level cap is a gameplay mechanic which are thought out to make the game balanced. If they powered the shouts using lore as a base, I bet Dragonborn just one shots everything in the game but Alduin and MiraakYou talk about CU being a low level deity in Dark Souls, when I previously told you that the Last Dragonborn is somewhere arround that level after Dragonborn DLC. Never fyck with a guy who defeated a World Eating God of Time Dragon, and the First Dragonborn who had power from Hermaeus Mora and brainwashed a whole island into mindless cultists.
Shouts are as effective as all hell. One Fus Roh Dah could simply bust the whole battlefield. Wulfharth could disintegrate people by whispering! I doubt last Dragonborn is ages weaker than him
So how does any of what you just said debate the points I've made?
Ok fine, ignore the level cap. Got it. Read the rest of that post and see why magic is useless.
Their respective deity level is not a good way to measure who would win. For example, Thor and Raiden are both gods of thunder, but one's a LOT more powerful than the other. I'm not saying the gap between the D and the CU is that wide, just trying to illustrate a point.
And please, stop bringing up Unrelenting Force. It's powerful. OK. I'm tired of addressing why it isn't a viable asset in this fight.
Soooooo, yeah. As it stands, CU is faster than Thu'ums, can cancel out any magic, and because of his speed would handily beat D in a Marlee fight.
Anybody like to debate these points?