Now I think about him using Soul Tear at short distance so he can rip his soul out??? Or just outright Bend Will, then it is over.
Yes, he is talking about weapons. What a pity he can't use this shout, he could just summon Shor's ghost and it is all over.
"Before the birth of men, the Dragons ruled all Mundus.
Their word was the Voice, and they spoke only for True Needs.
For the Voice could blot out the sky and flood the land."
Also, don't underestimate Last Dragonborn speed either 😉
Originally posted by swandivelmeistr
but the CU is supersonic,
Originally posted by swandivelmeistr
However, he's pretty strong on his own right. He can tank a blow from Smough's hammer, which weighs 193 tons (calc'd by Chaos at the OBD along with speed and durability). He can carry his own version of Smough's hammer too, which weighs about 27 tons.
Originally posted by swandivelmeistr
Wrong and wrong.
Bottom right corner, 28.0.
And the argument that the Chosen Undead is supersonic is so asinine that I barely can conceive of the level autistic nitpicking required to come to such an ass-backwards conclusion, but I can guarantee you that it boils down to some poorly designed game mechanic.
Originally posted by Astner
Bottom right corner, 28.0.And the argument that the Chosen Undead is supersonic is so asinine that I barely can conceive of the level autistic nitpicking required to come to such a ass-backwards conclusion, but I can guarantee you that it boils down to some poorly designed game mechanic.
Find me where it says kg
Originally posted by Astner
Bottom right corner, 28.0.And the argument that the Chosen Undead is supersonic is so asinine that I barely can conceive of the level autistic nitpicking required to come to such a ass-backwards conclusion, but I can guarantee you that it boils down to some poorly designed game mechanic.
Oh and the speed comes from him dodging dragonslayer arrows, which are shown in a cutscene to move WAAAY faster than they do in game. There are other feats too.
Originally posted by swandivelmeistr
Find me where it says kg
But ignoring that, let's do some basic analysis.
It's easy to see that the weight system is linear. Because equipping two weapons at the same time has the weight penalty of their collective weights.
For instance, a Longsword weighs 3.0 units, equipping two Longswords will give you a collective weight of 6.0 units, like the Claymore which weighs 6.0 units.
I.e. it's a linear weight system.
Now doing some basic check up on the weapons, Longswords actually averaged around 3 pounds and Claymores around 6 pounds. So it's more likely that the designers based their weight system on the imperial unit.
Which puts actually Smough's Hammer at 12.7 kg, my bad.
Originally posted by swandivelmeistr
Oh and the speed comes from him dodging dragonslayer arrows, which are shown in a cutscene to move WAAAY faster than they do in game. There are other feats too.
Even in light of the fact that your character can barely jump across a four-foot wide chasm, or that he falls at real time?
If your character was supersonic he'd be able to jump from the Undead Perish to the top of Sen's Fortress.
Originally posted by Astner
Well it's either pounds or kilograms, and I was giving you the benefit of a doubt.But ignoring that, let's do some basic analysis.
It's easy to see that the weight system is linear. Because equipping two weapons at the same time has the weight penalty of their collective weights.
For instance, a Longsword weighs 3.0 units, equipping two Longswords will give you a collective weight of 6.0 units, like the Claymore which weighs 6.0 units.
I.e. it's a linear weight system.
Now doing some basic check up on the weapons, Longswords actually averaged around 3 pounds and Claymores around 6 pounds. So it's more likely that the designers based their weight system on the imperial unit.
Which puts actually Smough's Hammer at 12.7 kg, my bad.
Huh, I find it hard to believe an enormous iron hammer far larger than a person weighs only 12.7 kg. I told you where you could find a calc of its ACTUAL weight based on volume and composition. The weight system implemented is an example of gameplay restrictions, something often brought up to defend the D.
If you want to argue the calc, I'd be happy, but it's obvious you can't find any flaw in it.
Originally posted by Astner
So you honestly think that the reason that the game designers decided to slow down arrows was to showcase speed rather than say condition the player to be able to react to the audio and visuals?Even in light of the fact that your character can barely jump across a four-foot wide chasm, or that he falls at real time?
If your character was supersonic he'd be able to jump from the Undead Perish to the top of Sen's Fortress.
I would have believed that arrow speed was gameplay. HOWEVER, they are shown in a cutscene to move MUCH faster. It's in the scene where Gough shoots down Kalameet. Without that cutscenes, yes, it's unquantifiable. But there it is. If you want to ignore canon evidence, that's fine, but please stop wasting my time.
Originally posted by trexalfa
Now I think about him using Soul Tear at short distance so he can rip his soul out??? Or just outright Bend Will, then it is over.Yes, he is talking about weapons. What a pity he can't use this shout, he could just summon Shor's ghost and it is all over.
"Before the birth of men, the Dragons ruled all Mundus.
Their word was the Voice, and they spoke only for True Needs.
For the Voice could blot out the sky and flood the land."
Also, don't underestimate Last Dragonborn speed either 😉
Soul tear? Against a guy who carries THOUSANDS of souls like currency?
And I'm not underestimating. The most logical estimation of his speed is transonic to sonic with whirlwind sprint.
While I'm here I might as well post those feats since some people are obviously too lazy (and unwilling) to look them up themselves. I would have before, but since I'm such a newb here, I couldn't at first.
Speed feat calc'd:http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=19642
Strength feat calc'd: http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=19644
Those are the two main ones but there are others done by the same guy.
By the way, the Grant's item description says that it requires "inhuman strength to wield." The item descriptions are just about as canon as it gets in DkSls. The max weight ever lifted by a human was over 1000 kg lifted by Louis Cyr. The grant weighs 24 imaginary units (or 4 less than Smough's hammer). Call me crazy, but I'm sensing a discrepancy in logic. Obviously I'm too "autistic" and "asinine" to figure this out myslef. Please explain this to me! I'm excited to see your response!
Originally posted by NemeBro
I am too ****ing tired to respond in detail, but actually wielding a 28 kilogram weapon IRL with any sort of effectiveness would be ****ing impossible. For comparison, a halberd weighs like three kilograms. Same with a greatsword.
Respond more in detail when you've gotten some sleep.
But that proves my point, doesn't it? The CU has super strength. Why is this so hard for some people to understand?
Originally posted by swandivelmeistr
Soul tear? Against a guy who carries THOUSANDS of souls like currency?And I'm not underestimating. The most logical estimation of his speed is transonic to sonic with whirlwind sprint.
That's cause... the speed shown in game isn't the real speed. If you give CU the benefit of calculating some super speed and then Dragonborn is "as fast as the game shows him to be", of course CU speedblitzes.
We can't base speed on frickin' gameplay mechanics. Keep in mind that he cannnot be just a Nord, he can be a Khajiit as well. And those are frickin' agile.
I never debated him having super strength, I'm just trying to evade a speedblitz
Originally posted by trexalfa
That's cause... the speed shown in game isn't the real speed. If you give CU the benefit of calculating some super speed and then Dragonborn is "as fast as the game shows him to be", of course CU speedblitzes.We can't base speed on frickin' gameplay mechanics. Keep in mind that he cannnot be just a Nord, he can be a Khajiit as well. And those are frickin' agile.
I never debated him having super strength, I'm just trying to evade a speedblitz
If not, then what? Is there any lore that gives him speed feats? I know his in game speed isn't representative of his actual speed. Same for the CU. They can't make the characters move as fast or the game wouldn't work. I get that totally. That's why we look at feats. Look, I think my first example is best. Whirlwind Sprint "carries him forward" (as stated in the description) and HAS to move at Mach 1, right? It's a shout, so yes. Shout being sound would necessitate that. That means his MAX speed is Mach 1, but he can't necessarily react that fast, because during Whirlwind Sprint everything blurs and is only useful for getting out of sticky situations, so his real speed is subsonic. If he could move faster than Mach 1, why is Whirlwind Sprint a shout? He would be moving SLOWER if he used it. What's wrong with that? If the battle turns into a blitz, it turns into a blitz. So, I've calculated speeds for both, and the CU is faster.
If you think I'm wrong at all with my conclusions, feel free to voice off, but your arguments have just been, "don't underestimate his speed," and that isn't factual, it's an opinion.
The only benefit the CU has is a better feat. And a better feat is a better feat.