God is extremely egotistical and prideful. Why does he not defend his name?

Originally posted by BananaKing
Yes, If God didn't exist that would be a waste of time, but if something pretty darn close exists then it would be wiser to be safe than sorry.

I don't buy this. To live in fear, is not to live at all.

Originally posted by BananaKing
In terms of death, morality and their relation to God, eternal life is related regardless of if you're a Christian or a Hindu. I'm somewhere between Christian and Buddhist.

Life is not eternal. All things in the cosmos has a birth, life and death. Even non-living things like planets and stars have a birth, life and death. If eternal life existed, it would equal eternal death.

Originally posted by BananaKing
If you ask practically any scientist be them atheist or theist they will say there is no evidence that reality owes us eternal life.

So you are wrong there I'm afraid.

Also, if you ask practically any scientist, be they atheist or theist, they will say there is no evidence that unicorns dance in the spring time.

Lack of evidence cannot be used as evidence to support the existence of something.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't buy this. To live in fear, is not to live at all.

Life is not eternal. All things in the cosmos has a birth, life and death. Even non-living things like planets and stars have a birth, life and death. If eternal life existed, it would equal eternal death.

Also, if you ask practically any scientist, be they atheist or theist, they will say there is no evidence that unicorns dance in the spring time.

Lack of evidence cannot be used as evidence to support the existence of something.

1. Then don't do it out of fear, do it out of gratefulness. I'm pretty sure God isn't interested if your reason for thanking him isn't actually gratefulness.

2. Then birth, life and death are eternal if they do and will always apply, surely?

3. True, but Phoenix2001 attempted to use a lack of scientific evidence to imply that God might owe us eternal life. I was simply responding to that claim by pointing out what the scientists would say about God owing people eternal life.

Originally posted by BananaKing
1. Then don't do it out of fear, do it out of gratefulness. I'm pretty sure God isn't interested if your reason for thanking him isn't actually gratefulness.

I'm sure that God does not care about my gratefulness.

Originally posted by BananaKing
2. Then birth, life and death are eternal if they do and will always apply, surely?

Even the Cosmos had a birth and now has a life. Therefore, the cosmos must have a death.

Originally posted by BananaKing
3. True, but Phoenix2001 attempted to use a lack of scientific evidence to imply that God might owe us eternal life. I was simply responding to that claim by pointing out what the scientists would say about God owing people eternal life.

Well, Phoenix2001 should know better.

Originally posted by BananaKing
3. True, but Phoenix2001 attempted to use a lack of scientific evidence to imply that God might owe us eternal life. I was simply responding to that claim by pointing out what the scientists would say about God owing people eternal life.

But they are not facts.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
No, he wasn't. He was calling out your frequent claim of knowing "facts" regarding God. That anyone would claim to "know" anything about an intangible, abstract concept such as God is worthy of challenge. Those moral "facts", and those fun "facts" about God are more accurately termed moral "beliefs", and fun "beliefs". You could also substitute in the word "idea", appropriate, given that all of these are specifically your "beliefs" or "ideas".

But they are not facts.

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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
No, he wasn't. He was calling out your frequent claim of knowing "facts" regarding God. That anyone would claim to "know" anything about an intangible, abstract concept such as God is worthy of challenge. Those moral "facts", and those fun "facts" about God are more accurately termed moral "beliefs", and fun "beliefs". You could also substitute in the word "idea", appropriate, given that all of these are specifically your "beliefs" or "ideas".

But they are not facts.

But you've yet to explain why I am wrong, or why I even may be wrong.
I see no reason to call it a mere "belief". Would you be so picky had I said "Moral fact: Murder is wrong"?

Why does God owe you eternal life?

Originally posted by BananaKing
But you've yet to explain why I am wrong, or why I even may be wrong.
I see no reason to call it a mere "belief". Would you be so picky had I said "Moral fact: Murder is wrong"?

Why does God owe you eternal life?

God does not owe anyone eternal life, because eternal life does not exist.

Eternal life is not a fact; it is a belief.

There is nothing wrong with having a belief, and beliefs do not have to be fact.

Originally posted by BananaKing
But you've yet to explain why I am wrong, or why I even may be wrong.
I see no reason to call it a mere "belief". Would you be so picky had I said "Moral fact: Murder is wrong"?

Why does God owe you eternal life?

And what do you think I'm saying you're wrong about? That I'm saying you're beliefs are "wrong"? Because I'm not saying that. I am saying that your claim that you "know" (i.e. are in possession of 'knowledge' of) something about God is flat out incorrect. You know absolutely nothing about God, same as me. You only believe things about God. Same as me. We're all agnostic, regardless of our corresponding faith (or lack thereof).

And don't confuse my refutation of your choice of wording considering this subject of "facts" and "knowledge" as disagreement about your beliefs regarding God owing people eternal life. I don't believe God owes us anything. I don't believe in God at all.

Originally posted by BananaKing
But you've yet to explain why I am wrong, or why I even may be wrong.
I see no reason to call it a mere "belief". Would you be so picky had I said "Moral fact: Murder is wrong"?

Why does God owe you eternal life?

Also, murder is not always wrong.

If someone had murdered Hitler before he came into power, then 9 million Jews might not have been murdered.

Where is your "Moral Fact" now?

Moral fact: Hitler was one of the greatest men in history because he killed Hitler.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Moral fact: Hitler was one of the greatest men in history because he killed Hitler.

No, that would make Hitler normal. Mass murderer - Hitler's assassin = 0

Hitler was also a True Neutral.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Hitler was also a True Neutral.

Thus the problem with the bipolar thinking of good and evil.

It's only murder if it's unlawful, "justifiable homicide" is lawful (look it up).
Killing Hitler wouldn't be murder it would be justifiable homicide.

Except Hitler was a legal authority in a country pretty much adopting his rules, so that wouldn't fly.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Except Hitler was a legal authority in a country pretty much adopting his rules, so that wouldn't fly.

Originally posted by BananaKing
It's only murder if it's unlawful, "justifiable homicide" is lawful (look it up).
Killing Hitler wouldn't be murder it would be justifiable homicide.

Hitler didn't kill anyone himself(WW1 withstanding), so you'd be killing him for the acts of others. I'm pretty sure that's murder from a legal standpoint.

Originally posted by BananaKing
It's only murder if it's unlawful, "justifiable homicide" is lawful (look it up).
Killing Hitler wouldn't be murder it would be justifiable homicide.

But suicide is against the law.

Originally posted by Robtard
Hitler didn't kill anyone himself(WW1 withstanding), so you'd be killing him for the acts of others. I'm pretty sure that's murder from a legal standpoint.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
God has a name? Why would God have a name?

I've been through the valley* on a God with no name....

*of the shadow of death