Originally posted by Petrus
Not really, seeing as how Sidious is infinitely more powerful than the Exile and she managed to outduel Nihilus in pure saber combat.Who's to say Sidious can't blitz Nihilus before he can even attempt to drain him?
While he was starving and after he'd been weakened and with the help of Visas and Mandalore. Before that he instantly pwned all 3 of them.
All Nihilus needs to do is raise his ****ing hand. Maybe even not that.... 😬
Originally posted by Intrepid37
The burden of proof is on the Nihilus side to prove he'll last longer than Kolar, Tiin and Fisto, all of who possesses better physical feats than Nihilus, yet two of them didn't even attempt to defend themselves.
Yes they did. All of them managed to get their lightsabers up and prepared while Sidious was charging them from 4 feet away. I see no reason why Nihilus who is more powerful than all of them combined can't raise his hand or speak before Sidious can repeat himself.
Originally posted by Nephthys
While he was starving and after he'd been weakened and with the help of Visas and Mandalore. Before that he instantly pwned all 3 of them.All Nihilus needs to do is raise his ****ing hand. Maybe even not that.... 😬
True, but he pwned them with the Force. We never truly see how good Nihilus is in terms of saber combat. All we know is the Exile defeated him, weakened or not.
I have to admit that if neither of the combatants have any knowledge of each other, Nihilus would probably drain the shit out of Sidious.
If Sidious knew what he was up against, however, I don't think he would give Nihilus the opportunity to drain him.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Getting their lightsabers up did shit all.Again, Tiin's a noted telepath and pilot and has very impressive physical showings to his name. Sidious one-shotted him and Kolar simultaneously. Why should Nihilus be different?
Thats not the point. I'm showing that since those guys could raise their lightsabers it stands that Nihilus could raise his hand and use his drain.
And how did telepathy help him you dork? 😆 Was he reading Sidious' mind?
Anyway Nihilus is different because it would never become a lightsaber fight of course. ✅
Originally posted by Nephthys
Thats not the point. I'm showing that since those guys could raise their lightsabers it stands that Nihilus could raise his hand and use his drain.
Being trained combatants on top of the jedi in it's prime, they likely have far greater reflexes then someone like Nihilus. Tiin only managed to lift his saber despite Sidious not even attacking him first. Tiin has far better reaction feats than Nihilus. Furthermore, if Sidious can attack someone with his saber that fast, then it's reasonable to conclude that he can attack with a force attack in less time.
Also, Silver made a convincing argument that Nihilus wasn't as starved before his confrontation with the Exile and company as you are seemingly suggesting, Neph, as he had just fed on a world. And since the pro-Nihilus side seems to be reaching considerably in this thread, I'm going to go ahead and say Palpatine drains Nihilus first, so before you make the argument that Nihilus is resistant to force drain on account of being a force wound, you have to prove that Sidious' drain is the same drain that Nihilus is immune to. And yes, Nihilus does use the force, otherwise his powers wouldn't have been weakened by a failed attempt to drain the Exile. So the powers it takes to use force drain, those are the powers Sidious will drain him of, thus leaving Nihilus in a weakened state. lol
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Except the Jedi are faster than Nihilus, thus they would be able to raise their sabers faster than Nihilus would raise his hand.
Bullshit. Nihilus is vastly more powerful than them. Canonically more power translates into faster reflexes and speed. I am not saying he is faster than them but its ridiculous to assume Nihilus is some snail-like jackass considering his power.
In the other thread Tempest and myself discussed this and agreed that it makes sense that even if they have no feats, vast power in the Force would indicate decent ability with a technique.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Being trained combatants on top of the jedi in it's prime, they likely have far greater reflexes then someone like Nihilus.
Which can be easily countered by the logic that since Nihilus is far more powerful than them he is likely far faster than them.
Also I really dislike the logic that belonging to the jedi in their prime gives anyone superiority over everyone else.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Tiin only managed to lift his saber despite Sidious not even attacking him first. Tiin has far better reaction feats than Nihilus.
Tiin blocked one of Sidious' attacks. :?
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Furthermore, if Sidious can attack someone with his saber that fast, then it's reasonable to conclude that he can attack with a force attack in less time.
So what? Sidious isn't taking out a Force Wielder of Nihilus' power in a single attack. 😬
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Also, Silver made a convincing argument that Nihilus wasn't as starved before his confrontation with the Exile and company as you are seemingly suggesting, Neph, as he had just fed on a world.
No he didn't. 😬
Silver pointed out that Nihilus had fed on several worlds. What he failed to provide was evidence that he'd fed on one recently. Tobin and Visas both say Nihilus was suffering from his hunger and had to feed:
Tobin: "The Master suffers... If he can not feed, then the hunger begins to consume him. The planet Telos... He may feed on something upon its surface to sustain himself a while longer."
Visas: "If there are no Jedi here, then my Lord cannot feed his hunger. He will destroy the planet, the station... he will cleanse it of life. ...and if there are no Jedi below, he will have no other choice."
Tobin flat out says Nihilus was suffering since he hadn't fed recently and that his power was consuming him.
BTW, re-reading that thread now it occurs to me that Silver wasn't nearly as smart as people thought he was. He was mostly just a douche.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
And since the pro-Nihilus side seems to be reaching considerably in this thread, I'm going to go ahead and say Palpatine drains Nihilus first,
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So what? Even if he can drain him which he can't, Sidious has never demonstrated drain in battle and its not like his drain will one-shot Nihilus like Nihilus would. So he saps a little bit of energy. 😖low clap:
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
so before you make the argument that Nihilus is resistant to force drain on account of being a force wound, you have to prove that Sidious' drain is the same drain that Nihilus is immune to.
Nihilus is a Force Wound so I don't see how that matters at all.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
And yes, Nihilus does use the force, otherwise his powers wouldn't have been weakened by a failed attempt to drain the Exile. So the powers it takes to use force drain, those are the powers Sidious will drain him of, thus leaving Nihilus in a weakened state. lol
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Originally posted by Nephthys
Bullshit.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I am not saying he is faster than them
Originally posted by Nephthys
Canonically more power translates into faster reflexes and speed.
And...
Originally posted by Nephthys
Nihilus is vastly more powerful than them.
Make up your mind.
Originally posted by Nephthys
but its ridiculous to assume Nihilus is some snail-like jackass considering his power.
Originally posted by Nephthys
In the other thread Tempest and myself discussed this and agreed that it makes sense that even if they have no feats, vast power in the Force would indicate decent ability with a technique.
The burden of proof is on the Nihilus side to prove he'll last longer than Kolar, Tiin and Fisto, all of who possesses better physical feats than Nihilus, yet two of them didn't even attempt to defend themselves.
The burden of proof is on you. Keep trying though.
And since the pro-Nihilus side seems to be reaching considerably in this thread, I'm going to go ahead and say Palpatine drains Nihilus first, so before you make the argument that Nihilus is resistant to force drain on account of being a force wound, you have to prove that Sidious' drain is the same drain that Nihilus is immune to.
Originally posted by mstanford2912
It's really not.
"When my lord spoke, the world died".The burden of proof is on you. Keep trying though.
Nephthys
In the other thread Tempest and myself discussed this and agreed that it makes sense that even if they have no feats, vast power in the Force would indicate decent ability with a technique.
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Ah, the power of inference and deductive reasoning...
Nephthys
So what? Even if he can drain him which he can't, Sidious has never demonstrated drain in battle and its not like his drain will one-shot Nihilus like Nihilus would.
...Which you seemed to have misplaced here, perhaps conveniently?
I see no reason why Intrepid or SIDIOUS should give Nihilus the benefit of the doubt when you, in characteristic fashion, refuse to treat the Emperor likewise.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Why would Sidious' drain one-shot Nihilus? The fuq?
Sidious was capable of leeching twenty BILLION people, albeit gradually, in what is the greatest demonstration of that power with respect to scale.
The notion that he couldn't harness that technique against one opponent is silly.
Originally posted by Nephthys
As for my comment about him not using it in combat I was merely pointing out that we haven't ever seen him using it and so don't know how good he actually is with it in a combat sense.
The truth is that we don't see Nihilus himself use the technique in an actual combat scenario, either. There is no evidence that Katarr was anticipating attack or prepared for it; likewise with the Exile, who was stunned before he applied it.
Sidious was capable of leeching twenty BILLION people, albeit gradually, in what is the greatest demonstration of that power with respect to scale.The notion that he couldn't harness that technique against one opponent is silly.
What does that have to do with anything? We see him and Kreia use the technique, its not as if it requires a ritual or anything, he just raises his hand.
Also thats a false comparison. I'm talking about how effective it is, which we know in the case of Nihilus since he runs around eating planets but not for Sidious who's only ever done it off screen over 20 something years.