And now we even have a personal first accomplishment on my part during my time here on KMC forums: I have a poster who changed his entire sig just to troll/bash me.
Hey, should I take a bow for the monumental butthurt necessary for someone to change their sig just to troll/bash another poster after being so thoroughly trashed in an argument over comic book minutiae?
I think I should. Why so mad, Butthurt-Prime? ermmhappy
Originally posted by Enzeru
[b]2. Even before the "Gladiator" novel we had a different story about John Carter of Mars, a human from the Earth, who traveled to Mars, where he met Dejah Thoris and helped her in fights against the Green Men of Mars. [/B]
That gravity thing has always been one of my favorite sources for when researching how Superman's powers work from a semi-realistic perspective, but of course in a fictional context.
Speaking of which, @OneDumbG0: Did you note down the parallels that were often drawn based on this particular gravity based physical superiority between Superman and John Carter? The early Superman character had so many inspirations from other previously existing characters, it's not even funny.
ODG I could take the time and find you most if not all of those references, like blue eyes, dakr hair, invulnerability (Achilles, ok there were no bullets back then, you are not aware of this but well) superstrength, the childsaving (Moses) etc in myth and lore. Strength Hercules, a hint. 😉 You could also do the same. I know your opinion, which is nothing more, I see your hate and rage, witch is cute but you still can't get over the fact that, people who are creative and get inspired by the same sources could come with a similar (in a few traits) charakter without directly copying them. You don't like it, you can't imagine it. You could make also a list as long, no far longer with traits that seperate Superman from Glads and you could take most of your examples from myth and lore and see that they were before that.
Ok Superman lifts a car, Hercules lifts a lion or the world. Well, tell you something, Hercules was created before there were cars 😉. You didn't know this, I'm sure but still. If you live in modern times you use more common examples. A car is a good way to show someones strength, that's nothing unique nor is it very creative, most would show strength this way back then. I didn't expect your education to be so low but well.
I brought the evil Superman because of Nietzsche and because you can see on this example that Siegel and Schuster were inspired by many sources and worked their way to the original Superman over the years. The way he is, with all that made him unique. You will never grasp it, maybe because you can't understand simple logic and creativity, maybe because you hate too much. Who cares. Your opinion will stay a cute one and the facts are still visible to anyone who can read and think. Oh and who takes Jerry Siegel and Joe Schuster word over yours, which would mean, like everybody.
If you would be half as smart as you wished you could be, you would find at least two characters Superman had more in common from the start then he had with Glads. Things Glads didn't have btw.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerI mentioned it in passing as John Carter was the first to use that plot device explanation way back in 1918 to explain why he was so strong on Mars. More relevantly and contemporaneously speaking, Aaron Munro was a fictional character from 1934 from another planet with much heavier gravity and therefore was much stronger on Earth as a result.
IIRC, this particular point was alluded to even in the recent MoS movie, wherein it's mentioned that Krypton's gravity was much higher than Earth's.That gravity thing has always been one of my favorite sources for when researching how Superman's powers work from a semi-realistic perspective, but of course in a fictional context.
Speaking of which, @OneDumbG0: Did you note down the parallels that were often drawn based on this particular gravity based physical superiority between Superman and John Carter? The early Superman character had so many inspirations from other previously existing characters, it's not even funny.
Needless to say, if you bother to trace this conversation back to its humble beginnings in this thread a few pages back, Hugo Danning and Aaron Munro are the two characters I originally focused on who were directly ripped off by Siegel and Shuster.
Obviously as more retcons were added, the Superman character became quite prone to directly ripping off other characters like Captain Marvel and Doc Savage. And something like this was a retcon. Superman originally only had super-powers because his race had evolved that way over millennia -- it wasn't until a full year later that they added the heavier gravity thing.
Either way, Superman ripped the most off from Hugo Danning. And it's pretty shockingly obvious.
Originally posted by ODG
And now we even have a personal first accomplishment on my part during my time here on KMC forums: I have a poster who changed his entire sig just to troll/bash me.Hey, should I take a bow for the monumental butthurt necessary for someone to change their sig just to troll/bash another poster after being so thoroughly trashed in an argument over comic book minutiae?
I think I should. Why so mad, Butthurt-Prime? ermmhappy
If I have a stalker and a fan I should reward him with my attention and this was one of the most hilarious things you ever wrote about you, a good confession^^.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
IIRC, this particular point was alluded to even in the recent MoS movie, wherein it's mentioned that Krypton's gravity was much higher than Earth's.That gravity thing has always been one of my favorite sources for when researching how Superman's powers work from a semi-realistic perspective, but of course in a fictional context.
Speaking of which, @OneDumbG0: Did you note down the parallels that were often drawn based on this particular gravity based physical superiority between Superman and John Carter? The early Superman character had so many inspirations from other previously existing characters, it's not even funny.
👆 So we see, there are a lot of possible characters who could have or have inspired Superman, he isn't a rip off of a single character, he is the first Superhero, inspired by enough sources to make him unique 😉.
Thanks.
That's how creativity works, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars. Don't copy a single sources, get inspired and create something new and unique.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
👆 So we see, there are a lot of possible characters who could have or have inspired Superman, he isn't a rip off of a single character, he is the first Superhero, inspired by enough sources to make him unique 😉.
Thanks.That's how creativity works, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars. Don't copy a single sources, get inspired and create something new and unique.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I disagree. The evidence that both OneDumbG0 and Enzeru have posted on previous pages clearly tells me that Superman was a rip-off. Of course if you still want to believe that he's an original, then to each his own. Agree to disagree here.
Sure, agree to disagree^^. Though it would interest me what you think about Hercules, Samsons, also sprach Zarathustra, Moses and Jesus, regarding Superman.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeI'm not surprised you're in state of dumbfounded silence right now.
ODG I could take the time and find you most if not all of those references,
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeYou incomparable dufus, Siegel/Shuster arguably ripped off the whole experimental serum-induced, posthuman, megalomaniacal, would-be world conquerer from Hugo Danning also. I'm sorry to spring that revelation onto you like this, but I made the wrong assumption that you also depend on a bald, evil, serum-based telepathic, would-be world conqueror as part of what makes the original superhero, Superman, unique.
I brought the evil Superman because of Nietzsche and because you can see on this example that Siegel and Schuster were inspired by many sources and worked their way to the original Superman over the years.
Like... my criticism has been biting at times, but why would I assume you would argue something so stupid and hilariously off-based, yet somehow still evidence of more Hugo Danner motifs being ripped off? I literally couldn't have consciously planned that any better.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeMaybe because all of Superman's most famous earlier feats were taken right from Hugo Danning's pages? Or that Superman had the same exact number of powers as Hugo Danning? Not only that, but his running speed (above trains) and durability (below artillery) was also exactly the same? Or that the description of his various superpowers was also directly lifted nearly word-by-word? Or that half his adventures in his first year were pulled? Or that his parental upbringing, his childhood home, his moral compass, were also mirrored in Hugo Danning's pages? Or that his foppish weakling persona and traumatic experiences with his powers during childhood were almost exactly the same? Or his friggin appearance and his trademark descriptive names mirrored Hugo Danning's?
The way he is, with all that made him unique. You will never grasp it, maybe because you can't understand simple logic and creativity, maybe because you hate too much. Who cares. Your opinion will stay a cute one
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeYeah, I made sure of that. kinda
and the facts are still visible to anyone who can read and think.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Oh and who takes Jerry Siegel and Joe Schuster word over yours, which would mean, like everybody.
If you would be half as smart as you wished you could be, you would find at least two characters Superman had more in common from the start then he had with Glads. Things Glads didn't have btw.
C'mon, bro. Let's deal with facts. Show me these two other earlier characters who had more in common from the start then he had with the character from Gladiator. We're gonna need superpowers (the original ones, not the ones Superman eventually developed decades later, be smart), word-by-word descriptions, specific feats, specific adventures, mirroring childhood traumas and upbringings, and specific character foibles, not the least of which including similar appearance. And Hugo Danner was never named, "Gladiator," you nunce. That's just the name of the book, it wasn't his codename. Christ.
Originally posted by Enzerusomehow i will get blamed for this
There are many reasons and here are few of them:- he is a boring character,
- it's impossible to relate to him,
- he has a lot of power, but he barely does anything with it,
- he gets worshipped by his writers, who give him feats without any reason,
- Silver Age,
- Supergirl, Superboy, Power Girl, Krypto, Superanimal League,
- HIS GOD DAMN FANBOYS!
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeYou are to never remove it (unless by order of mods, who I'm pretty sure will let it fly for now). You understand? Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, has ever been so butthurt over a meaningless conversation over comic book trivia as to do what you just did. And I've been on these forums for a while in a lot of heated discussions. You are going to wear your trolling/bashing sig of your's as a badge of honor. I hope you aren't silent from now on though, as I'm more than happy to honor you again.
If I have a stalker and a fan I should reward him with my attention and this was one of the most hilarious things you ever wrote about you, a good confession^^.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeInspire =/= ripoff. Literary characters like Jesus, Moses, Heracles and the like are all secondary influences that have been adopted by the Superman mythos. More than that, things like Jor-El sending his beloved son to help mankind wasn't mentioned for years.
👆 So we see, there are a lot of possible characters who could have or have inspired Superman, he isn't a rip off of a single character, he is the first Superhero, inspired by enough sources to make him unique 😉.
Thanks.That's how creativity works, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars. Don't copy a single sources, get inspired and create something new and unique.
So vaguely referencing specific instances of Superman being inspired -- of which no instances have even been provided by you so far anyway -- by these characters during his early formative first years isn't a winning strategy. Superman performing the same exact iconic car lifting feat? That's a ripoff, not a manifestation of abstract inspiration. Superman having the same exact powers, expained the same exact way, with the same exact limtiations, isn't an inspiration. It's a blatant ripoff. You're so enamored of declaring what are facts and what are opinions and you really just haven't done anything on the factual front. You just pretend to be some unbiased arbiter of what are facts and what aren't and what they prove when taken together.
And you'll continue to deflect from your own hypocritical haterade concerning the ripoff that Sentry is, in your pointless attempts to demean the character in this thread to make Superman look better, by ignoring facts and never providing any of your own. Because, let's face it. That's how this conversation started. With meaningless character-bashing over whether or not Sentry was original or not. The saddest part? You acted like this all my fault and all but demanded that I prove definitively that Superman also ripped off an alarming number of things directly from the earlier, but contemporaneous, Hugo Danner character.
Karma, man.
Wondering why this subject was never ever brought up on these boards...
Supes as a whole has had enuff of a history to be considered unique in his own right.. What with all the retcons, the gradual fleshing out of the character, his extensive library of arch-villains, his influence on other heroes that came after him, and simply the commercial success he's garnered throughout the years....
But he is an blatant ripoff of Hugo Danner (Doc Savage to some extent)..
He's an amalgam of sorts that was "perfected" by Siegel and Schuster that leans heavily on the Gladiator character..
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wondering why this subject was never ever brought up on these boards...Supes as a whole has had enuff of a history to be considered unique in his own right.. What with all the retcons, the gradual fleshing out of the character, his extensive library of arch-villains, his influence on other heroes that came after him, and simply the commercial success he's garnered throughout the years....
But he is an blatant ripoff of Hugo Danner (Doc Savage to some extent)..
He's an amalgam of sorts that was "perfected" by Siegel and Schuster that leans heavily on the Gladiator character..
We were asked to stop so i wouldn't push this any further, Superman is the first Superhero, that's a fact. ODG's similarities are a farce. I you know both characters you see all the differences and could take apart almost all points of ODG. This is my last post regarding this topic. But here is an example.
Superman wasn't raised on an farm for example, he was raised at an orphanage.
http://www.reading-room.net/Action1/Action1P01.html
But haters gonna hate. One can twist the facts and lie.
So I will stop here. Sorry PR, couldn't resist 😉.