Originally posted by Batman-Prime😆
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sorry to tell you this bro, but based purely off of h2h feats and skill, there is no way that Wonder woman gets past Matt. There is no way that her anus would be able to recover from the pure amount of damage that Taskmaster and Panther would inflict upon it (in other words, she gets her shit pushed in by Taskmaster and gets it pushed in twice as bad by Panther 💃 ).
Originally posted by Silent Master
If she's one of the most skilled, then why does she have so much trouble with people around her strength level.....because guys like Cap, Batman and DD have beaten people that are litterally several times stronger than them.
And do those people also have superspeed, insane durability and more powers than anyone can count?
The problem Diana has against that weight class isn't just an issue of strength. She'd do a lot better against them if it came down to H2H. It almost never does though. The problem is that they have about a hundred other powers she has to worry about in addition to their stats. For that reason I don't think your Cap, Batman and DD reference is on point.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
And do those people also have superspeed, insane durability and more powers than anyone can count?The problem Diana has against that weight class isn't just an issue of strength. She'd do a lot better against them if it came down to H2H. It almost never does though. The problem is that they have about a hundred other powers she has to worry about in addition to their stats. For that reason I don't think your Cap, Batman and DD reference is on point.
WW also has superspeed and insane durability, BTW what other powers are you talking about that render her supposed skill useless?
Originally posted by Silent Master
If she's one of the most skilled, then why does she have so much trouble with people around her strength level.....because guys like Cap, Batman and DD have beaten people that are litterally several times stronger than them.
Her primary foes are, (A) much faster than her (Cheetah), (b) more powerful (Ares, Genocide), (c) Magic (Circe, Queen of Fables), or (d) badly outmatched (Giganta).
Foes like Achilles and Hercules, are known for both strength *and* skill and still lose to her.
Even Superman, who's quite skilled, when it comes to foot-to-foot hand to hand, that's where she gets her licks in, but he has travel/flight speed and multiple forms of range to take it out of pure melee and make it a wider fight, options that the likes of Herc doesn't have. A high-level fight like vs Superman is not, after all, a martial arts battle, it's an all-abilities fight.
WW also has superspeed and insane durability, BTW what other powers are you talking about that render her supposed skill useless?
Not useless, but if you can charge someone at a good fraction of .C, that's not something just martial arts can counter, that has to be defended against with other powers. If you have heat vision and freeze breath, that's stuff that Di doesn't have. And yadda yadda.
Her skill still helps a lot, at least part of these fights often does end up in melee, it's just not the whole picture.
One of her big foes, Silver Swan, is almost primarily a ranged fighter who's sonics are used to keep at a distance.