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abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by comicfan11
Didn't he also write that ridiculous scene where he compares Diana to Bruce Lee and Clark to Usain Bolt? Soule must have read that before he wrote the "masterpiece" that was Superman/Wonder Woman lol.
Those were dark days for the JL franchise (due to the storytelling and the lack of direction, but still it was a disappointing run for McDuffie to say the least).

Yes. That was after he got his butt handed to him on DC boards after he had wonder woman say she's flat out faster than superman. The same guy who had BP armbar Surfer too.

Originally posted by Q99
When Batman or Shiva or Canary are commenting on her skill, do you think they're talking raw speed or strength?

Any time when Batman said anything about her skills in a spar, JLA 61 or anywhere else its always mixed with her strength and durability. Her record against any street leveler isn't great when you count her strength, Chesire and Poison Ivy were giving her trouble in a fist fight, ditto deathstroke, ditto Batman, ditto any street leveler she came across. As far Black Canary saying she is better than her, well its Gail Simone. The same writer who had Huntress beat Shiva.

Silent Master Senior Member

Originally posted by SquallX
When was the last time Cyclops fought while been blinded?

What does that matter, the fact is he's fought blind before and against multiple opponents.

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member

Originally posted by Q99
Black Canary thinks she's better than her,

When did she say that? And while that's nice, how could it have any real relevance when in the only sparring match they had, Canary won despite Diana's huge physical stat advantage, holding back or not.

Originally posted by Q99
Batman spars with her on even terms and gives her big props (the guy gushes over her skills... a lot ^^),

Having real trouble with Batman despite her large stat advantage does not speak well towards her skills. He has outright been competitive in close combat with her and even had the advantage more often then not.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by deathslash
How is she top five when there are people that far outrank her with their h2h knowledge (batman 1million, Karate Kid, Richard Dragon, Lady Shiva, Bronze Tiger, Batman)? She most certainly isn't even top 10.

I disagree that they necessarily have more knowledge than her. Skill of a very effective style is more relevant than knowing different styles (including inferior ones). The amazon arts are superior to most (if not all) styles on Earth. Karate Kid IMO is the only one clearly better than her in h2h. Other characters are not clearly better. Batman 1 million doesn't exist on D.C. Earth currently.

leonidas MWHAHAHAHA!

and let's not forget--clint and frank are BOTH pretty damn good, and dd is exceptionally good. saying that they can defeat her or saying it is at least a debatable point isn't exactly a slap in the face to anyone. ALL of them would give good accounts of themselves against nearly any street level character.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
She does all of that without powers?

Yup, comic physics allows it. It's called PIS.

Silent Master Senior Member

Originally posted by h1a8
Yup, comic physics allows it. It's called PIS.

You still haven't posted any skill feats to justify your claim that she in the top 5.

iceman24567 Senior Member

Diana isnt elite Matt beats her face in Clint can split with her hes a pretty good MA

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Daredevil would beat her. Soundly too.

Also, anyone trash-talking Cyclops? Warning for you.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by Silent Master
You still haven't posted any skill feats to justify your claim that she in the top 5.

I didn't make a claim. I stated it was an opinion. Reread the post.

h1a8 Senior Member

List is out of order. Daredevil beats her.

Silent Master Senior Member

Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't make a claim. I stated it was an opinion. Reread the post.

Post the skill feats that your opinion is based on.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by Silent Master
Post the skill feats that your opinion is based on.

1. My opinion is based off memory.

A. Amazonian arts were said to be superior to all earthly forms of combat.
B. Diana is the greatest Amazonian warrior.
C. Diana has multiple times shown amazing smoothness and ridiculous adeptness that rivals the top h2h combatants in combat.

2. You are in no position to demand skill feats when you refuse to show any strength or striking feats both proving that Mangog is able to hurt Kuurth and contradicting his actual striking showings which support that he can't hurt Kuurth.

Silent Master Senior Member

Originally posted by h1a8
1. My opinion is based off memory.
A. Amazonian arts were said to be superior to all earthly forms of combat.

Yet, you can't actually post any feats to back this up.

B. Diana is the greatest Amazonian warrior.

Yet, you can't actually post any feats that would place her in the top 5.

C. Diana has multiple times shown amazing smoothness and ridiculous adeptness that rivals the top h2h combatants in combat.

Yet, you can't provide any feats of her actually showing top 5 level skill.

2. You are in no position to demand skill feats when you refuse to show any strength or striking feats both proving that Mangog is able to hurt Kuurth and contradicting his actual striking showings which support that he can't hurt Kuurth.

Other people have already mentioned SA Mangog's feats...now try and stay on topic.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yet, you can't actually post any feats to back this up.
Yet, you can't actually post any feats that would place her in the top 5.
Yet, you can't provide any feats of her actually showing top 5 level skill.
Other people have already mentioned SA Mangog's feats...now try and stay on topic.

that's why I stated it was my opinion.

No one showed any feats by Mangog showcasing his offensive striking power or strength. Bran showed a dumb ass feat of him lifting a bridge to make Asgardians and a weakened Odin fall into the water. That's got to be a 100 ton feat or less right? What is the minimum amount does that small bridge with Asgardians weigh?

Silent Master Senior Member

Originally posted by h1a8
that's why I stated it was my opinion.

As it's not based on what the comics show, it is a rather worthless opinion, which begs the question...why bother posting in a thread where you have zero knowledge on the subject.

It's almost like you're trolling/baiting the people in this thread.

quanchi112 Disney

Stops at 4.

deathslash Pyromaniacal Humanitarian

Originally posted by quanchi112
Stops at 4.

I'm actually inclined to agree with you.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by Silent Master
As it's not based on what the comics show, it is a rather worthless opinion, which begs the question...why bother posting in a thread where you have zero knowledge on the subject.
It's almost like you're trolling/baiting the people in this thread.

The same can be applied to you on any Mangog thread. You know zero of his strength and physical power output since you can't support it with feats.

Also when most people say X is more skilled than Y they are not thinking of particular feats, but using their memory as a whole.

For example, we know that Batman is more skilled than Cyclops in h2h fighting. But do we think of particular feats to know that?

I gave reasons of my opinion.
When Diana fights, she shows awesome smoothness, and masterful adeptness in h2h fighting that rivals any showing from any top fighter in the comics. I also base my opinion off her being the greatest amazionian warrior combined with the amazon arts being superior to most (if not all Earthly arts). Anything Batman or any top MA can do, she can do (if not better).

Silent Master Senior Member

You have provide zero feats to back up your "opinion" that WW is in the top 5, all you seem to be doing is trolling the thread.