Wonder Woman h2h gauntlet

Originally posted by Q99
Her primary foes are, (A) much faster than her (Cheetah), (b) more powerful (Ares, Genocide), (c) Magic (Circe, Queen of Fables), or (d) badly outmatched (Giganta).

Foes like Achilles and Hercules, are known for both strength *and* skill and still lose to her.

Even Superman, who's quite skilled, when it comes to foot-to-foot hand to hand, that's where she gets her licks in, but he has travel/flight speed and multiple forms of range to take it out of pure melee and make it a wider fight, options that the likes of Herc doesn't have. A high-level fight like vs Superman is not, after all, a martial arts battle, it's an all-abilities fight.

Not useless, but if you can charge someone at a good fraction of .C, that's not something just martial arts can counter, that has to be defended against with other powers. If you have heat vision and freeze breath, that's stuff that Di doesn't have. And yadda yadda.

Her skill still helps a lot, at least part of these fights often does end up in melee, it's just not the whole picture.

One of her big foes, Silver Swan, is almost primarily a ranged fighter who's sonics are used to keep at a distance.

Achilles and Hercules don't really have many if any skill feats that would place them anywhere near elite street level, Superman really isn't all that skilled and as for people with ranged attacks, Batman, Cap, Daredevil etc manage to deal with them all the time.

Achilles from DC? Anyone have scans of that fight? I remember him having the power to dodge attacks but once Wonder Woman caught him, he folded hard.

Hercules was always a womanizing brute. Never demonstrated any high end skill similar to Marvel Hercules as far as I can recall. Or are we assuming he has to be skilled simply because of his name? It's one thing to assume he has some experience and training (He lasted against the much stronger Doomsday Clone for a few moments for example) but you need hard evidence just to compare him to Frank Castle or Tim Drake, much less elite streets.

Achilles was a beast. Fought amped geo force and owned eradicator.

With elite HTH skill or just being that powerfrul?

He fought like a brawler. It was really weird how he went from being a refined fighter to a brick like that but whatever. In his introduction, his entire fighting style revolved around not getting hit.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He fought like a brawler. It was really weird how he went from being a refined fighter to a brick like that but whatever. In his introduction, his entire fighting style revolved around not getting hit.

I thought so, but it's been a couple years since I've gone though my WW collection, being on a rather long temp work assignment(different state) makes it hard to keep up to date or look things up....I have entire stacks of back issues that I haven't gotten to yet.

Originally posted by Silent Master
With elite HTH skill or just being that powerfrul?

Pure power.

McDuffie was on crack when he wrote batman saying wonder woman was the best melee fighter in the world. Pure wankery.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Wonder Woman isn't the best melee fighter in the world. Not even close. I'm not even certain if she's in the Top 20 if we include all the obscure fighters like Richard Dragon.

IMO she's in the top 5 easily. How do you feel about Herc against Hawkeye in equal depowered bodies?

Originally posted by h1a8
Well that's how that writer felt. In other words, He would have had her beat ANYONE in h2h in equal physicality. If she's not the best melee fighter in the world then the statement is not far off. I and many fans wasn't surprised reading that scene.

IMO she's in the top 5 easily. How do you feel about Herc against Hawkeye in equal depowered bodies?

Post skill feats that justify WW being in the top 5.

Originally posted by h1a8
Well that's how that writer felt. In other words, He would have had her beat ANYONE in h2h in equal physicality. If she's not the best melee fighter in the world then the statement is not far off. I and many fans wasn't surprised reading that scene.

IMO she's in the top 5 easily. How do you feel about Herc against Hawkeye in equal depowered bodies?

I wouldn't rank her in top 25 best fighters in DCU.

Wonder Woman isn't even in the top 5 fighters named Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Fighting blind isn't that special, Cyclops has done it.

When was the last time Cyclops fought while been blinded?

I agree not top 5. Even taking out the future ones, Cass, Shiv, Richard, Tiger, Bruce.

But top 25 is pretty easy. Black Canary thinks she's better than her, Batman spars with her on even terms and gives her big props (the guy gushes over her skills... a lot ^^), she trains with Shiva and uses advice from her (and then later admits she purposefully *puts in* little things when training with the criminals so they have something to point out, as part of their rehab).

She does all of that without powers?

Originally posted by abhilegend
McDuffie was on crack when he wrote batman saying wonder woman was the best melee fighter in the world. Pure wankery.

Didn't he also write that ridiculous scene where he compares Diana to Bruce Lee and Clark to Usain Bolt? Soule must have read that before he wrote the "masterpiece" that was Superman/Wonder Woman lol.

Those were dark days for the JL franchise (due to the storytelling and the lack of direction, but still it was a disappointing run for McDuffie to say the least).

Originally posted by abhilegend
She does all of that without powers?

When Batman or Shiva or Canary are commenting on her skill, do you think they're talking raw speed or strength?

Originally posted by Mindset
Wonder Woman isn't even in the top 5 fighters named Wonder Woman.

this guy...... 😆

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she clears it