Lee vs Khan

Originally posted by FrothByte
Spock is supposed to be around 3x human strength (IIRC) with a whole lot of ancient martial arts training. Though Lee has the training, he doesn't have the strength.

Loki was toying with Captain America. Cap hit him like what, 2 times? And Loki didn't even go down except during the first hit where Loki's own staff bolt hit him.

Or maybe we're actually debating the same thing just using different terminologies?

I do agree that Khan doesn't simply walk all over Lee. But Khan does get to win 10/10 over regular Lee. Khan doesn't finish the fight easily, but he's also in very little danger of losing the fight.

Cap still held his own though. That's the point.

I disagree that he gets the 10/10 win over normal Lee. 6/10 or 7/10 is more reasonable, but him winning every scenario is unfeasible.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't know man. He still used that nerve pinch thing, and that's supposed to be one of those signature Vulcan martial arts moves that you can't do without training.

Lee, without the SSS, shows us his speed and strength:

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Lee shows us his versatility:

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Add the Super Soldier Serum which amplifies all of this by, oh, 20 times, and you have a dead Khan.

From Comic Vine:

The most common set of powers granted by is that of exceeding peak human potential. This means the individual is capable of lifting around 850 pounds over their heads, running at speeds up to around 60 miles per hour and higher, and due to the Super Soldier Serum's ability to counteract the acids in the muscle that cause fatigue, allowing the individual to maintain strenuous physical activity for hours on end before tiring. The serum also increases the individual's metabolism, allowing them to heal faster than a normal human, giving them enhanced durability. Along with increased durability, the increased metabolism Super Soldiers enjoy also grants them immunity from nearly any poison known to man, due to their body's ability to process it faster than the effects can cause harm to their body. This includes most known drugs and alcohol which have no affect on a recipient.

The serum also affects the mind, allowing the individual to retain and recall any information they take in. It also allows the individual's mind to react and process data faster, which improves their reflexes far beyond those of a normal human. For example, Steve Rogers has stated that he can dodge bullets because he can see faster than they move

INB4 "KHAN CRUSHES LEE'S SKULL!"

No, he doesn't because Lee would never let Khan retain his grip long enough to actually do anything.

Khan would let down his guard to grab Lee's skull, and then Lee would use this to his advantage and unleash unholy Hell on Khan's body.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Lee's training supercedes strength. We have seen skill outweighing enormous strength advantages multiple times in martial arts movies before.

Cap still held his own though. That's the point.

I disagree that he gets the 10/10 win over normal Lee. 6/10 or 7/10 is more reasonable, but him winning every scenario is unfeasible.

We have seen skill outweight enormous strength advantage in movies but only in very specific scenarios like:

1. Strong man is slow and stupid
2. Strong man is not skilled
3. Strong man is the villain

But when said stronger man is also faster and is also skilled, plus you remove the villain/hero classes, then simply having better skill won't be enough. Any fighter can attest to that. Khan may not be as skilled as Lee but he is still pretty skilled. And the gap between Lee's skill and Khan's skill is not quite as big as the gap between their physical stats.

Lee's training teaches him how to strike with power. I don't recall it ever giving him superhuman strength.

Originally posted by FrothByte
We have seen skill outweight enormous strength advantage in movies but only in very specific scenarios like:

1. Strong man is slow and stupid
2. Strong man is not skilled
3. Strong man is the villain

But when said stronger man is also faster and is also skilled, plus you remove the villain/hero classes, then simply having better skill won't be enough. Any fighter can attest to that. Khan may not be as skilled as Lee but he is still pretty skilled. And the gap between Lee's skill and Khan's skill is not quite as big as the gap between their physical stats.

Lee's training teaches him how to strike with power. I don't recall it ever giving him superhuman strength.

His skill is vastly more inferior to Lee's than Lee is physically inferior to him though. Which is the point that I have been trying to make all along. Khan's so-called "skill" too is largely derived from his physical stats superiority.

Khan is not invulnerable either. I never said that Khan would lose most of the times, but I clearly don't support the notion that he can beat regular Lee 10/10.

Having seen both movies, I'd say that base Lee is more skilled and has faster punching/kicking speed. giving him the SSS makes this a massive spite stomp.

Throat punch FTW

Lee stomps.

Khan has ..

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against the power and might of Bruce Lee

Bruce Lee was hardcore before Chuck Norris' balls dropped. It is Truth.

Originally posted by KingD19
What in Dante's 9 Circles of Hell makes you think Khan can win? Aside from those late night visits you get from Cumberbatch and JJ Abrams.

Bruce already has much faster reaction times and was strong enough to send people flying and one-shot martial arts masters.

Now he's got Cap's abilities stacked on top of his own. Meaning he's even faster, and stronger since Cap was a feeb before he got the powers.

Red Skull easily dented solid steel, Bruce will punch a hole in Khan. From 1 inch away.

Originally posted by DTM
Gee, what a surprise.

Pathetic.

You resorted to arguments from page 1 instead of facing he music.

AAAAAAAAAAND....................with no new argument.

How sad.

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Quan: Khan wins!!!!11!!11!!1!!!!

Everyone else: No, he doesn't.

Reaction:

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In comes Imp with the brutal combo.

One more for baby Jesus.

Imagine Quan negotiating this thread:

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Cell regeneration

Oh fer christ's sake...it's never been shown or hinted just how long or fast Khan's healing abilities are!

In the X-men we're shown that Logan can heal within a matter of seconds to minutes depending on the extent of injury...for all we know Khan could take hours or days...proving pointless to his fighting capabilities.