Emperor Vitiate vs Emperor Palpatine

Started by The_Tempest11 pages
Originally posted by Nephthys
Well, at least you're still alive Tempy, ma ol' squeeze.

You thought I was dead, lover?

You've been gone for like, a week.

You missed a lot too. I got everyone into TOR and a new guy called Oneness came to challenge the HoT, only to ragequit after I vanquished him.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Except that it borders in legend/myth, you can't really say if he did or did not use a ritual. I just base his power with how well he did against the strike team/Revan.

That feat is as legit as any other feat of Vitiate is! Expect more surprises in the future content. Also, give me a single example of a ritual that works like an offensive Sith application.

Revan was utterly outgunned by Vitiate when the latter became serious; Revan survived due to assistance of his companions and Vitiate's decision to imprison him. Heck, Vitiate could subdue even the trio of Revan, Meetra and Scourge; Scourge realized this fact and chickened out at the last moment when this confrontation was to happen. To give you an idea, Vitiate gave Scourge "Yoda versus Ventress" treatment soon afterwards.

In addition, Vitiate easily subdued the Jedi Strike Team led by Tol Braga; he did not kill those Jedi because he decided to use them as his pwns. PIS.

Of-course, Vitiate is not invincible and greater numbers can work against him with excellent coordination but he is virtually unstoppable in majority of the situations.

It is unwise to reject feats of characters which reveal their true potential. Vitiate simply could not afford to play games with a threat as potent as Dark Council in a confrontation. No individual (with a sane mind) would.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
..But Palpatine also has galactic reach/vision. Hell what's actually more impressive that Vader couldn't even lie to Palpatine, meanwhile Scourge could lie to Vitiate whenever he wanted as long as he kept his composure.

What makes you think that Vader have never misled/fooled Palpatine?

Nobody have infallible powers.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You've been gone for like, a week.

You missed a lot too. I got everyone into TOR and a new guy called Oneness came to challenge the HoT, only to ragequit after I vanquished him.

O RLY?

It was hilarious. He got so mad. Check it boi!

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f86/t588063.html

Actually, you were here for a bit after he joined....

Interesting. Is that Dolos?

Yes. He ragequit yesterday. Might still be back though.

Sure he was actually mad?

Check out the latest battlebar page.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
That feat is as legit as any other feat of Vitiate is! Expect more surprises in the future content. Also, give me a single example of a ritual that works like an offensive Sith application.

Revan was utterly outgunned by Vitiate when the latter became serious; Revan survived due to assistance of his companions and Vitiate's decision to imprison him. Heck, Vitiate could subdue even the trio of Revan, Meetra and Scourge; Scourge realized this fact and chickened out at the last moment when this confrontation was to happen. To give you an idea, Vitiate gave Scourge "Yoda versus Ventress" treatment soon afterwards.

In addition, Vitiate easily subdued the Jedi Strike Team led by Tol Braga; he did not kill those Jedi because he decided to use them as his pwns. PIS.

Of-course, Vitiate is not invincible and greater numbers can work against him with excellent coordination but he is virtually unstoppable in majority of the situations.

It is unwise to reject feats of characters which reveal their true potential. Vitiate simply could not afford to play games with a threat as potent as Dark Council in a confrontation. No individual (with a sane mind) would.

What makes you think that Vader have never misled/fooled Palpatine?

Nobody have infallible powers.

1. What I find funny is that you sometimes use speculative assumptions like "Vitiate can use force maelstrom" or, "He may have a mysterious technique to undermine his opponent," but you ask me to give an example of an offensive ritual. Nonetheless, i'll scrounge up something. If not then you'd be being a hypocrite either way 😛

2. I understand that, however this is where we diverge. You put Revan on a much higher pedestal than I do, making Vitiate owning him more or less impressive accordingly.

3. Yeah, and that's arguably his best feat to date.

4. ok. The same can be said for Palpatine

5. Covered on 1.

6. Name a time when he has.

Thanaton uses an offensive ritual to kill Nox at the start of Act II.

Boom.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Thanaton uses an offensive ritual to kill Nox at the start of Act II.

Boom.

nice

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
1. What I find funny is that you sometimes use speculative assumptions like "Vitiate can use force maelstrom" or, "He may have a mysterious technique to undermine his opponent," but you ask me to give an example of an offensive ritual. Nonetheless, i'll scrounge up something. If not then you'd be being a hypocrite either way 😛

You have demonstrated much greater level of hypocrisy then I ever have. You ignore tons of information available and do not do your homework.

I have "always" asserted that Vitiate's talents have not been fully explored yet. His story leaves room for lot of exploration of his abilities in future content. Available description of the event indicates that this is a Sith Sorcery based feat. More information may come to light in future content.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
2. I understand that, however this is where we diverge. You put Revan on a much higher pedestal than I do, making Vitiate owning him more or less impressive accordingly.

Revan is canonically among the "elites" of the mythos. No room for argument here.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
3. Yeah, and that's arguably his best feat to date.

No, his action against first known rebellious Dark Council is more impressive. However, this feat (against Jedi) should leave no doubt about his capability to pull off the other feat (against Dark Council) with his powers.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
4. ok. The same can be said for Palpatine

Vitiate have more impressive combat record.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
5. Covered on 1.

See above

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
6. Name a time when he has.

Keeping in mind your history of not paying attention to wealth of information at hand, I won't be surprised if you made this claim without doing any homework. Sith lie and deceive whenever possible.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Thanaton uses an offensive ritual to kill Nox at the start of Act II.

Boom.


Sure it was a ritual?

It was actually a Sith Sorcery based attack:

From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

Fueled by the ghost's power, the inquisitor confronts Thanaton - only to be nearly eradicated by the superior Sith's dark sorcery.

Vitiates victory over the Strike Team is more impressive than his one against the Dark Council imo. The latter was with prep and can't be said to be something he can do in a combat situation, whereas the former can and better shows how powerful he really is in terms of personal ability.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Sure it was a ritual?

It was a Sith Sorcery based attack.

YouTube video

13.20.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vitiates victory over the Strike Team is more impressive than his one against the Dark Council imo. The latter was with prep and can't be said to be something he can do in a combat situation, whereas the former can and better shows how powerful he really is in terms of personal ability.

Sith Sorcery can be performed during combat situations.

Originally posted by Nephthys
YouTube video

13.20.


Thanks for posting the video. However, check the canon description of the event:

From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

Fueled by the ghost's power, the inquisitor confronts Thanaton - only to be nearly eradicated by the superior Sith's dark sorcery.

A ritual can be sorcery.

Originally posted by Nephthys
A ritual can be sorcery.

Yes, but rituals are not performed during combat situations.

Offensive Sith Sorcery based actions can look like rituals but they are not. They are acts of manipulating the Force much like the same way as is the case with conventional powers.

Yeah, I've always assumed that when it is performed during combat, it's sorcery and when it can't be preformed during combat it's a ritual, because otherwise some rituals could be used as offensive feats during combat for certain characters.

^^^

This seems to be the case.