Let's see...Sise-Neg went backwards in time from the 31st century, absorbing energy along the way. There's a couple problems here. One obviously being what about the beyond the 31st century? Another being the fact that he was limited in what he could do going back (didn't defeat Shuma because it would take too much energy).
So we have a guy who definitely doesn't have infinite power against a guy who's defined by being infinite power....mmm
The reason he didn't defeat Shuma Gorath was that it would take time, time he didn't feel he had, and in defeating Shuma Gorath he would lose some of his energy, that he had accumulated to restart the universe. Sise-neg did however drain and banish Shuma Gorath before Gorath even noticed Sise-Neg was there.
Originally posted by Utrigita
The reason he didn't defeat Shuma Gorath was that it would take time, time he didn't feel he had, and in defeating Shuma Gorath he would lose some of his energy, that he had accumulated to restart the universe. Sise-neg did however drain and banish Shuma Gorath before Gorath even noticed Sise-Neg was there.
Right...he was limited, while Michael is unlimited by definition.
Originally posted by Cogito
Let's see...Sise-Neg went backwards in time from the 31st century, absorbing energy along the way. There's a couple problems here. One obviously being what about the beyond the 31st century? Another being the fact that he was limited in what he could do going back (didn't defeat Shuma because it would take too much energy).
Toward the end, Sise-Neg absrobed all the energy in the universe (time-space within a singular universe) which should make it unlimited. Universal-level unlimited (going by comics logic):
http://i.imgur.com/RcjsPpe.jpg
And his official bio (master edition #2) confirms it:
http://i.imgur.com/JTTTii0.jpg?1
That was before he achieved his "God status", though.
Im assuming that this battle is Sise-Neg at his peak, otherwise it would be pointless.
I wasn't aware Sise-Neg tried to defeat Shuma and could not.
What I remember, is Sise-Neg hypothesizing about what may
happen if he tried to destroy Shuma, which is what Dr Strange wanted, Not Sise-Neg.
Heck, Sise-Neg didn't want to hurt Shuma at all.
So instead, Sise-Neg decided it'd be best for Shuma to get KTFO!
and bfr'd into a pocket dimension for a millennia,
then Sise-Neg re-created that reality free of Shuma ever having been there.
That aside, I could care less who wins in kmc this cross company match,
but for those who wish to engage here's some info on Genesis.
Sise-Neg re-created all of Marvel back then.
Sise-Neg basically became the embodiment of All Space-Time and Energy,
and it was from withIN his body that the original Big Bang exploded.
The Big Bang that created the infinite Marvelverse.
^^ ... "easily?" ... wow, I still will have no opinion on the match but wow.
This Michael must be uber indeed.
Although GK,
I'm not too sure SN needed 'feats' at that point
since he was supposed to be the 'in-universe' supreme being.
Yet, his feat was having the power to re-create everything, & demonstrating it.
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Sise-Neg's (Now "God" - Genesis) body contained the original Big Bang:
"Everything explodes, mushrooming from the point where,
ALL Existing Power had been held" (Sise-Neg's body)
"He's witnessed the Second creation of the Universe"
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The original Big Bang, which created the Living Tribunal, Eternity and friends:
"At the dawn of time, when matter and energy exploded forth, creating our Universe"
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Sise-Neg re-created the Marvelverse including the LT & cosmic hierarchy.
... wow.
Nice. Associating a 1974 comic with a 2007.
But of course if we're going to go beyond the story (use other comics) may as well post this from a what if issue:
http://i.imgur.com/5YUU14z.jpg?1
"become one with YOUR universe"
Just wanted to post this.
Anyway, both Lucifer and Michael dwarf multiversal beings.
Originally posted by operator616Nice. Associating a 1974 comic with a 2007
Sise-Neg travelled and absorbed all space-time-energy till the "Dawn of Time" ...
Sise-Neg (from the Void that precedes the First Big Bang)
explodes (Big Bang embodied) and spews out the Marvelverse.
(616, being just one Era, where Doc and Mordo were left off)
We later learn the Living Tribunal and friends were created "at the Dawn of Time" ...
via the Big Bang, same Big Bang Sise-Neg enjoyed employing.
Now, of course "1974" Stevie didn't specifically intend for these
added specifics to be intrinsically connected to his story by default,
but it is what it is. Call it retcon or whatever but it is what it is.
Originally posted by operator616But of course if we're going to go beyond the story (use other
comics) may as well post this from a what if issue:
Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea? And? It's all 'Marvel Comics' last time I checked.Sise-Neg travelled and absorbed all space-time-energy till the "Dawn of Time" ...
Sise-Neg (from the Void that precedes the First Big Bang)
explodes (Big Bang embodied) and spews out the Marvelverse.
(616, being just one Era, where Doc and Mordo were left off)
We later learn the Living Tribunal and friends were created "at the Dawn of Time" ...
via the Big Bang, same Big Bang Sise-Neg enjoyed employing.Now, of course "1974" Stevie didn't specifically intend for these
added specifics to be intrinsically connected to his story by default,
but it is what it is. Call it retcon or whatever but it is what it is.Non Canon, therefore irrelevant. And some statement from some
nobody who wasn't even there isn't going to change on panel depictions imo.
what's important is the writer's intention, in which case, Steve certainly didn't intend to portray Genesis as being someone who's more powerful than an entity which (sometimes) operates on a megaversal+ scale.
It's from what if v2 #35, part of timequake, which is canon (it's also referenced in a couple of other bios as well), from blockbusters of the marvel universe handbook (2011):
http://i.imgur.com/p7qnH7H.jpg
I think you're just going beyond what was intended in the story. Ok, 616 is one era, the others are divergent realities, but there are still other realities which don't diverge / don't have anything to do with 616 and can't be reached by time travel.
Imo, and now that i think of it, Steve may as well didn't intend to use other eras as other realities. I mean.....it's not like the term "alternate reality" wasn't used in 1974, here's 1 example from fantastic four issue around the same year (1974):
http://i.imgur.com/s4nlvrQ.jpg?1
Im cool that you (or anyone else) disagree with me, but that's how i see it.
Also, you'd expect at least a handbook to confirm that it was a multiversal recreation, when we have a handbook as far as of 2011 say that it was universal:
Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ ... "easily?" ... wow, I still will have no opinion on the match but wow.
This Michael must be uber indeed.Although GK,
I'm not too sure SN needed 'feats' at that point
since he was supposed to be the 'in-universe' supreme being.
Yet, his feat was having the power to re-create everything, & demonstrating it.------------------------------------------
[b]Sise-Neg's
(Now "God" - Genesis) body contained the original Big Bang:"Everything explodes, mushrooming from the point where,
ALL Existing Power had been held" (Sise-Neg's body)"He's witnessed the Second creation of the Universe"
------------------------------------------
The original Big Bang, which created the Living Tribunal, Eternity and friends:
"At the dawn of time, when matter and energy exploded forth, creating our Universe"
------------------------------------------
Sise-Neg re-created the Marvelverse including the LT & cosmic hierarchy.
... wow. [/B]
I also find it funny that you go around mocking someone else's opinion when you claim that you don't have any yourself about this battle.
