DOTNG Orion vs Sundipped Superman OWAW

Originally posted by Galan007
During Superman/Batman, Superman was able to beat the ever-loving shit out of Darkseid(far, far easier than Orion did mind you), just by moving within close proximity to the sun:

...Just to add insult to injury, he damn near tore Darkseid's arm off.

Tbh, even though Supes just had a slight sun-amp in the above scene, I'd probably still give him the win over a team-up of both Darkseid AND Orion combined. Giving Supes a formal/OWAW sun-dip realistically makes this spite in his favor, imo. My opinion: sun-dipped Superman>>>sun-amped Superman>>>base Superman~/<Countdown Orion>Darkseid(barely).

Now obviously if this is Soulfire Orion, then it is spite in his favor.

That is one of the most poorly written peices of shit that I have ever read. It's spectacular to think that Darkseid conveniently forgets that he has about 10 other powers that he could be using to beat the ever loving crap out of Superman(not to mention that Superman and Darkseid are somehow talking in space and Superman hasn't ran out of oxygen with his monologue). I also don't understand how superman is somehow capable of flying into the demension of the New Gods without the aid of magic or of a boom tube. Darkseid losing that fight is completely PIS at its finest. Orion wins this 7/10

Superman stomps utterly.

Originally posted by deathslash
It's spectacular to think that Darkseid conveniently forgets that he has about 10 other powers that he could be using to beat the ever loving crap out of Superman

Heh, superman eats omega beams like breakfast. Even doomsday was briefly knocked out by them.

Originally posted by deathslash
😆

That is one of the most poorly written peices of shit that I have ever read. It's spectacular to think that Darkseid conveniently forgets that he has about 10 other powers that he could be using to beat the ever loving crap out of Superman(not to mention that Superman and Darkseid are somehow talking in space and Superman hasn't ran out of oxygen with his monologue). I also don't understand how superman is somehow capable of flying into the demension of the New Gods without the aid of magic or of a boom tube. Darkseid losing that fight is completely PIS at its finest. Orion wins this 7/10

Didn't the JLA have boom tubes on tap for a time? And they just got back from Apokolips, so he probably had one on him.

Agreed about Darkseid, though. In the 90's, he caught Superman with his Omegas all the time. Teleports, or straight overpowering.

And then "Apokolips Now" happened.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes, because Darkseid's Omega Powers are always a surefire path to victory against Superman!

I can't comment on the first scan because I didn't read the book.
In your second set of scans, Darkseid is just using his force beams and isn't actually using the full omega effect and it is still hurting Clark.

Is the last set of scans from Apokolips Now(because that is actually one of Darkseid's lowest showings to date and it was also really crappy writing)?

Originally posted by cdtm
Didn't the JLA have boom tubes on tap for a time? And they just got back from Apokolips, so he probably had one on him.

Agreed about Darkseid, though. In the 90's, he caught Superman with his Omegas all the time. Teleports, or straight overpowering.

And then "Apokolips Now" happened.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes, because Darkseid's Omega Powers are always a surefire path to victory against Superman!

Bad writing.

Not because Supes shrugged off the Omegas, but because the writers were pretty clueless about how to build up and protect characters. Jobbing a badass out all the time usually just crushes the badasses rep...

Originally posted by Galan007
During Superman/Batman, Superman was able to beat the ever-loving shit out of Darkseid(far, far easier than Orion did mind you), just by moving within close proximity to the sun:

...Just to add insult to injury, he damn near tore Darkseid's arm off.

Tbh, even though Supes just had a slight sun-amp in the above scene, I'd probably still give him the win over a team-up of both Darkseid AND Orion combined. Giving Supes a formal/OWAW sun-dip realistically makes this spite in his favor, imo. My opinion: sun-dipped Superman>>>sun-amped Superman>>>base Superman~/<Countdown Orion>Darkseid(barely).

Now obviously if this is Soulfire Orion, then it is spite in his favor.

👆

Orion is good but Superman is better.

Originally posted by deathslash
You misunderstand me. I wasn't talking about his omega powers. I was actually talking about his telepathy, energy manipulation, matter manipulation, teleportation, and other powers. has been stated several times before that superman is protected by the source from Darkseid's omega beams.

I can't comment on the first scan because I didn't read the book.
In your second set of scans, Darkseid is just using his force beams and isn't actually using the full omega effect and it is still hurting Clark.

Is the last set of scans from Apokolips Now(because that is actually one of Darkseid's lowest showing to date and it was also really crappy writing)?

Darkseid was using the Omega Beams in those scans, as confirmed by Infinity Man in the subsequent page:

Shitty writing doesn't make something non-canon, unfortunately.

Originally posted by cdtm
Bad writing.

Not because Supes shrugged off the Omegas, but because the writers were pretty clueless about how to build up and protect characters. Jobbing a badass out all the time usually just crushes the badasses rep...

I disagree. Physically imo, Supes has always been above Darkseid (minus Pre Crisis of course.

Originally posted by Galan007
Darkseid has used exotic abilities, like those you mentioned, about as often as classic Juggernaut used his force-field. To act like his lack of using said abilities in every single battle he's ever been in constitutes "PIS", actually goes against his character as a whole. In fact, he pretty much stopped using those abilities all together after the mid-90's or so...

Darkseid was using the Omega Beams in those scans, as confirmed by Infinity Man in the subsequent page:

Shitty writing doesn't make something non-canon, unfortunately.

Darkseid really should be well above Superman. Sadly, though, more showings than not suggest otherwise.

Considering the same writer who wrote Apokolips Now, Mark Schultzh had Darkseid beat superman in 3 punches in MOS 116 earlier, I don't see why people especially darkseid fans think its a low showing. Superman specifically said "Today I'm stronger" and a superman who is motivated for a close friend's life would beat most characters' faces in.

I've to say, of all the fandoms New God fandom is the whiniest bunch of all I've ever seen, they want their characters to beat everyone up just because they are gods and Jack Kirby created them.

Originally posted by Galan007
Darkseid really should be well above Superman. Sadly, though, more showings than not suggest otherwise.

Originally posted by deathslash
Yes, he was using his omega beams but he wasn't using the disintegration effect of them. You should know that he can use them to do several different things(teleportation,transmutation, erasing somone from existence, heat vision, etc..).

Until then, I am going to keep assuming they are the exact same thing, and the title simply differs depending on the writer.

Originally posted by deathslash
Darkseid is well above superman. Out of the twenty-some odd fights that they have had against one another, Clark has only won about three times in continuity.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'll ask you as I've asked others: show me a scan which states there is a discernible difference between the Omega Beams, and the Omega Effect, and I'll concede the point.

Until then, I am going to keep assuming they are the exact same thing, and the title simply differs depending on the writer.

In the last 20(ish) years? I'd beg to differ.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Considering the same writer who wrote Apokolips Now, Mark Schultzh had Darkseid beat superman in 3 punches in MOS 116 earlier, I don't see why people especially darkseid fans think its a low showing. Superman specifically said "Today I'm stronger" and a superman who is motivated for a close friend's life would beat most characters' faces in.

I've to say, of all the fandoms New God fandom is the whiniest bunch of all I've ever seen, they want their characters to beat everyone up just because they are gods and Jack Kirby created them.

I'm actually not a New Gods fan, I just have a fair level of respect for them.

Originally posted by deathslash
I think they are the same thing(Darkseid just does a variety of different things with them).

Originally posted by deathslash
So... you're saying that if superman were motivated for a close friend's life he could beat up say........ Odin(I recognise that Darkseid isn't as powerful as odin, it's just a comparison)? Are Clarks power levels elevated when he's super confident now? Just because Clark thinks that he's stronger doesn't actually mean that he is(Not to mention that Clark is usually fighting against Darkseid not just for the lives of his friends and family but also for the lives of all of creation and he still gets dominated even when he has help).

I'm actually not a New Gods fan, I just have a fair level of respect for them.

Does he always works on that level? Of course not. But losing to superman isn't an insult like most people think it is. At the right moment he can beat anybody.