DOTNG Orion vs Sundipped Superman OWAW

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, he could. Superman is a plot device in himself, don't let battleboards fool you. This is what he did to universal death who actually destroyed the universe.

Does he always works on that level? Of course not. But losing to superman isn't an insult like most people think it is. At the right moment he can beat anybody.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Considering the same writer who wrote Apokolips Now, Mark Schultzh had Darkseid beat superman in 3 punches in MOS 116 earlier, I don't see why people especially darkseid fans think its a low showing. Superman specifically said "Today I'm stronger" and a superman who is motivated for a close friend's life would beat most characters' faces in.

I've to say, of all the fandoms New God fandom is the whiniest bunch of all I've ever seen, they want their characters to beat everyone up just because they are gods and Jack Kirby created them.

Are you ****ing serious?

You of all people are going to complain about bitchy fans that have unrealistic expectations?

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Originally posted by -Pr-
Are you ****ing serious?

You of all people are going to complain about bitchy fans that have unrealistic expectations?

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Originally posted by -Pr-
Are you ****ing serious?

You of all people are going to complain about bitchy fans that have unrealistic expectations?

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Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't act like new god fans who whine at every loss orion and darkseid get. You should visit CBR sometimes to get that.

Yeah, because you never spin any weakness you perceive about Superman in to something else.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, because you never spin any weakness you perceive about Superman in to something else.

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If DOTNG and Countdown Orion are considered different versions, then DOTNG Orion looses here.
Needed some clarification.

Apart from that, Loeb and the non-writer that did Apokolips now easily make the list of worst New Gods writers ever.
Same with Chuck Austen and Superman, but with character jobbing as an added bonus.

Also abhilegend complaining about "fans" made my day.
Good one, couldn't stop laughing for a while.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, he could. Superman is a plot device in himself, don't let battleboards fool you. This is what he did to universal death who actually destroyed the universe.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/abhilegend/media/Superman/supersting-60.jpg.html

Death was seen all well and fine in the few following pages. Sure he defied death, but didn't really do anything to it, imo. Aside from giving it hope or something like that.
And im pretty sure it was multiversal, from what i recall, it's stated to destroy universes (plural).

Originally posted by comicfan11
If DOTNG and Countdown Orion are considered different versions, then DOTNG Orion looses here.
Needed some clarification.

Apart from that, Loeb and the non-writer that did Apokolips now easily make the list of worst New Gods writers ever.
Same with Chuck Austen and Superman, but with character jobbing as an added bonus.

Also abhilegend complaining about "fans" made my day.
Good one, couldn't stop laughing for a while.

Originally posted by operator616
Death was seen all well and fine in the few following pages. Sure he defied death, but didn't really do anything to it, imo. Aside from giving it hope or something like that.
And im pretty sure it was multiversal, from what i recall, it's stated to destroy universes (plural).

Originally posted by deathslash
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That is one of the most poorly written peices of shit that I have ever read. It's spectacular to think that Darkseid conveniently forgets that he has about 10 other powers that he could be using to beat the ever loving crap out of Superman(not to mention that Superman and Darkseid are somehow talking in space and Superman hasn't ran out of oxygen with his monologue). I also don't understand how superman is somehow capable of flying into the demension of the New Gods without the aid of magic or of a boom tube. Darkseid losing that fight is completely PIS at its finest. Orion wins this 7/10

I'm not a Darkseid expert, but the vast majority(but not every time) of times I've seen Darkseid use his more esoteric powers has to do with either facing opponents a lot more powerful than Superman, or against opponents who are less conventional and would require a more exotic approach. If this view I have fits with the rest of Post-CRISIS/Pre-FLASHPOINT continuity, then you're complaining about CIS, not PIS. As for Superman taking Darkseid to The Source Wall, this WAS all a plan to trick Darkseid into thinking he killed Kara, so it would make sense he'd either have a Mother Box on him or someone ready to Boom Tube him to The Source Wall. Of course there's a touch of assumption there that that's what happened, but the comic did confirm it was to trick Darkseid.

Originally posted by operator616
Death was seen all well and fine in the few following pages. Sure he defied death, but didn't really do anything to it, imo. Aside from giving it hope or something like that.
And im pretty sure it was multiversal, from what i recall, it's stated to destroy universes (plural).

Should we hold it against Superman that someone on that level of power can simply reform themselves and say that means it wasn't really that impressive?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, superman eats omega beams like breakfast. Even doomsday was briefly knocked out by them.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I'm not a Darkseid expert, but the vast majority(but not every time) of times I've seen Darkseid use his more esoteric powers has to do with either facing opponents a lot more powerful than Superman, or against opponents who are less conventional and would require a more exotic approach. If this view I have fits with the rest of Post-CRISIS/Pre-FLASHPOINT continuity, then you're complaining about CIS, not PIS. As for Superman taking Darkseid to The Source Wall, this WAS all a plan to trick Darkseid into thinking he killed Kara, so it would make sense he'd either have a Mother Box on him or someone ready to Boom Tube him to The Source Wall. Of course there's a touch of assumption there that that's what happened, but the comic did confirm it was to trick Darkseid.

That's not that hard to believe. Comic characters do it all the time.

Originally posted by deathslash
A touch of assumption? Most of that is assumption(it's not like later on Superman said "hey Barda, thanks for opening that boom tube for me, it really reduced the time it took to get to the source wall.". Also, Bruce and Barda basically left and went back to their respective cities because they basically thought this whole fiasco was over with and Diana was literally the only one that stayed behind and helped Clark)

Perhaps it is assuming, but it doesn't change the fact that they planned this ahead of time. Find an alternate explanation?

Originally posted by deathslash
Your also forgetting that Superman was somehow doing a monologue in space without any source of oxygen.

I'm only forgetting because shit like this happens in comics. In ZERO HOUR, Wally was talking to Waverider despite going so fast he could no longer see, which would be a lot faster than sound. These aren't the only illogical things that happen in comics. Try a little suspension of disbelief. Otherwise it's like the writer of the FARSIDE comic strip pointed-out. He wrote one where the father of a mosquito family said his job was to drink blood. The writer got many letters correcting him that only the females of mosquitoes drink blood(which is true). The writer pointed-out they had issue with this, yet no problem with a family of mosquitoes that lived in a house, wore clothes and spoke English. You complaining about that part seems a little silly when you've got a universe full of talking, telepathic gorillas and time travel and the like.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Also I recall it was universal.

"worlds will dissolve, universes will perish"

http://i.imgur.com/p6PWJhR.jpg?1

Implying that this death was multiversal.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Should we hold it against Superman that someone on that level of power can simply reform themselves and say that means it wasn't really that impressive?

Originally posted by operator616
"worlds will dissolve, universes will perish"

http://i.imgur.com/p6PWJhR.jpg?1

Implying that this death was multiversal.

How did superman humbling him with his fists and Death admitted that superman defeated him outright means he defeated him by giving him hope?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He was only correcting abhi that Superman didn't simply defeat it with his fists. Adding context to a feat doesn't equate to downplaying it.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He was only correcting abhi that Superman didn't simply defeat it with his fists. Adding context to a feat doesn't equate to downplaying it.

Never saw Abhi claim he defeated it with his fists, simply showing Superman punching through a form of Death trying to kill him. Which, Superman did. It's like when people try to act like it's no big deal Superman burst through SF Darkseid because Darkseid reformed himself immediately after.

Speaking of that, I took what the guy said to Abhi as pretty much that. Death reforming=Superman accomplished nothing.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
That's good.

How did superman humbling him with his fists and Death admitted that superman defeated him outright means he defeated him by giving him hope?
What context? Superman punched through Death and after that he talked about how superman gave him hope or some crap after admitting [b]superman defeated him. Before that he was adamant about torturing him forever. He didn't beat it by anything but his fists. [/B]

😒 I hate you Abhi for making me a liar!!! 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 My next beef dish is dedicated to you. 😒

He outright said it.

Originally posted by abhilegend

How did superman humbling him with his fists and Death admitted that superman defeated him outright means he defeated him by giving him hope?

Never said he defeated it by giving him hope. All i said that the end result of all this was superman giving death hope.

The very next page shows that death was fine. So what did superman do exactly? Superman defeated it in the sense that he proved that death is not the master of all things, it's not like he defeated death physically because we see it unharmed exactly 1 page afterwards.

Anyway, i didn't reply to this the 2nd time because i know you'll disagree.