Batman without gadjets vs 50 thugs

now i know people want to jump in and act as if the thugs are canon fodder and batman wins like a walk in the park.
now lets stop for a second and think rationally.
50 buffed thugs, all jumping at him ... its not a movie scene where they fight him 1 after the other, its 50 big thugs with probably some basic boxing and street fighting knowledge jumping at him.
can batman win?

What is the battlefield like?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What is the battlefield like?

the streets, an open field.

Streets or a field? Night time, broad daylight?

Batman would be hard pressed without his gadgets etc, but he will win.

Batman easily he easily did it in Arkham City......uhuh

batman kills them all in under 6 mins

Batman, easily. That's just how comics work.

Same would be true of any high street level fighter

Um no he gays shanked and left in the street to bleed out

So basically Batman is fighting in a "burly brawl" like the one in Matrix Re-Loaded, without any weapons? He puts up a good fight, but the numbers are too much. No way to keep from getting swarmed without his gadgets.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
So basically Batman is fighting in a "burly brawl" like the one in Matrix Re-Loaded, without any weapons? He puts up a good fight, but the numbers are too much. No way to keep from getting swarmed without his gadgets.

I agree

Didn't Batman do this in No Man's Land?

finally i see some sense in people.
it seems like many people over here treat numbers like some fodder that doesnt mean anything.
i wanted people to start and really put the thought into the numbers, i know batman is >>>> a street thug, but think about the numbers and imagine 50 of those fighting him at once.
i dont think he can avoid from getting eventually pinned and owned by 50 guys.
while he is busy with fighting off lets say 5 - 10, others can tackle him, grab his legs and take him down, jump on him from behind ... batman just cant overcome 50 people in a straight up fight

When he was 24, Batman took on groups of trained assassins and fought for 28 hours straight in a deathmatch. And won.

yes but how many assassins did he fight at once? just because he got the stamina to fight for long periods of time does not mean he can overcome 50 thugs swarming at him all at once.

also as we see in this scan he fought something 5 people and after he took out the first 2 the third was already chocking him, after he took him out the other one hits him making him bleed, thats exactly what i was talking about, he cannot fend off such numbers all at once.
now imagine 50 people from all directions, he cant win.

I think at one point he was doing 28 at once? This was also before Year 1 - when he has 0 experience. And just fights blindly. A n00b.

But these weren't street thugs. All trained killers. Who would last longer than an average street thug.

I mean, how long do you think it would take to do this to all of them?

Don't fall into the trap of applying real world logic to comic books.

Also, how many guys do you think can swarm him at once? Have these 50 guys trained together, and knows everyone's moves? They're more likely to get in each other's way, and he'd only be fighting at any one time, perhaps 5/6? Not 50 at once. The guys at the back won't even get a look in.

Batman gets dogpiled. Not by random thugs, but by the craziest of the crazy, Arkham Asylumn:

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Mobs-Teams/Skill/shadowofthebat3-batvsarkhamrogues1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Mobs-Teams/Skill/shadowofthebat3-batvsarkhamrogues2.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Mobs-Teams/Skill/shadowofthebat3-batvsarkhamrogues3.jpg

Being dogpiled by thugs. With guns. Looks to me about 50 of them:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Mobs-Teams/Skill/detective726-batvshipmob2.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Mobs-Teams/Skill/detective726-batvshipmob3.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Mobs-Teams/Skill/detective726-batvshipmob4.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Mobs-Teams/Skill/detective726-batvshipmob5.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Mobs-Teams/Skill/detective726-batvshipmob6.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Mobs-Teams/Skill/detective726-batvshipmob7.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Mobs-Teams/Skill/detective726-batvshipmob8.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also, how many guys do you think can swarm him at once? Have these 50 guys trained together, and knows everyone's moves? They're more likely to get in each other's way, and he'd only be fighting at any one time, perhaps 5/6? Not 50 at once. The guys at the back won't even get a look in.

I indeed think that they would get in the way of each other, they'd need to be pretty in sync to be really effective against someone with Bruce's mobility.

Originally posted by Bentley
I indeed think that they would get in the way of each other, they'd need to be pretty in sync to be really effective against someone with Bruce's mobility.

Especially, if say, they had an incentive to fight Batman - $1 million to the guy who knocks him out.

Even if they were all a team, and were perfectly in sync with each other (doubtful), Batman would only be fighting 5 or 6 of them at a time, due to space. Giving them skills (as per the OP, basic boxing and street fighting) makes it worse for them, because it gives them a semblance of predictability (unlike, say, fighting Arkham inmates).

If he wants to take his sweet time, he'd still have all the endurance needed to go the distance (as seen when he fought nonstop for 28 hours), whereas these 50 thugs would be gasping for breath after going a few rounds with him. He could play cat and mouse, and take them down.

And if we ignore the sake of plot, and just have Batman fighting at his best? It'll only take a few minutes to take them all out with pressure point attacks.

Originally posted by Alias Stone
Um no he gets shanked and left in the street to bleed out

Not answering just correcting