Yeah, think he used smoke bombs and grapple lines, hence why I didn't want to use that as an example. Plus, they were assassin ninjas.....my argument is, he'd be dismissing theses thugs with basicffighting skills with pressure point attacks (one shot instakills) and staying mobile, tangling them all up with each other
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also, I have shown you his one hit, instantaneous pressure point attack. Hence, the guys directly above him would be dead weight and wouldn't be doing anything. They can TRY to hold his arm, but unless al of them have decent leverage and a decent grip (which is unlikely, as they would be limited, only 1 or so guys would be able to grab each arm and hold it in a sufficiently tight grip to prevent him from moving. And that is even assuming an average thug has enough strength to hold Batman, which, as we have all agreed, is way above average humans. Hell, he's even above peak humans, some of the crazy stuff he's done.Think about it. One guy, with his arm curled around mine, can hold me pretty effectively. 4 guys wouldn't be able to do that - it's physically impossible - my arm isn't that long. 4 guys would be able to have a hand on me though. And if I had Batman's level of strength? 4 hands holding me is easy to twist out of.
first of all if they dog pile him he wont have the maneuver ability he has on average.
imagine yourself something like 10 people dogpile him, he will be squizzed under them and wont have the hand maneuver he has for a precise hit which also takes momentum to execute.
basically batman lyinmg under a pile of thugs while the other ones are kicking him in the head from different sides wont be even able to extand his arms in order to execute his pressure point strikes his arms are restricted.
again you assume if the thugs jump him and dogpile him they will be only lying on top of him which is very incorrect.
they will be headbutting and ground and pounding him from above while the others will be kicking him in the head as he is down.
as i said if they take him to the ground he is dead he cant get out of it.
Originally posted by wolverinos
first of all if they dog pile him he wont have the maneuver ability he has on average.
imagine yourself something like 10 people dogpile him, he will be squizzed under them and wont have the hand maneuver he has for a precise hit which also takes momentum to execute.
basically batman lyinmg under a pile of thugs while the other ones are kicking him in the head from different sides wont be even able to extand his arms in order to execute his pressure point strikes his arms are restricted.again you assume if the thugs jump him and dogpile him they will be only lying on top of him which is very incorrect.
they will be headbutting and ground and pounding him from above while the others will be kicking him in the head as he is down.as i said if they take him to the ground he is dead he cant get out of it.
Fair enough. You will need to provide proof that he can be dogpiled, and that he won't be able to get out of it. I have shown SOME proof (as crappy as it was) of him going up against multiple thugs - armed and unarmed, and beating them without gadgets, only with H2H, proof of his skills, and proof of his speed.
Now, I know you have your viewpoint. So back it up like a Tonka truck.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fair enough. You will need to provide proof that he can be dogpiled, and that he won't be able to get out of it. I have shown SOME proof (as crappy as it was) of him going up against multiple thugs - armed and unarmed, and beating them without gadgets, only with H2H, proof of his skills, and proof of his speed.Now, I know you have your viewpoint. So back it up like a Tonka truck.
why scans need to be posted in order to point out that 50 guys can dogpile him? is it something unrealistic? 50 guys going at him all at once jumping on him and dogpile him is something that easily can happen, why would you believe it cant happen? its like asking a scan of batman taking a dump in order to prove he takes one.
if even 15 people dogpile batman thats more than he can press to get free, batman can at max lift 800 lbs, he can probably press more weight than that but of course not by much.
basically if they do dogpile him he just cant break free, and even if he knocks someone out while the person is on top of him that person isnt going to get off of him you know, a knocked out guy is still on top of him along with 10 others while the other ones are kicking batman in the head and stomping his face.
as i said before if they take him to the ground he is dead.
if not i still dont believe he can survive 6 people from all directions attacking him at the same time while more and more people pushing in to attack him and probably jumping on him.
If three adult men jump towards Batman, he'll pick one in mid air with one arm, throw him towards another one, while using the remaining hand and one of his legs to ko two other potential threats. He repeats this strategy again until the men realize they can never dogpile Batman and then they do the only reasonable thing they can do: run.
Originally posted by wolverinos
why scans need to be posted in order to point out that 50 guys can dogpile him? is it something unrealistic?
As unrealstic as Batman, and superhero comics in general? Yes.
50 guys going at him all at once jumping on him and dogpile him is something that easily can happen, why would you believe it cant happen? its like asking a scan of batman taking a dump in order to prove he takes one.
Oh no, I invented the pooping defence! Besides, its quite a different scenario here than that in the poop defence - because Batman has trained specifically to fight. And has taken on many people before. And in comics, he has been shown to win.
By your argument, using real world logic, no guy is able to fight continuously against different, multiple opponents, for 28 hours. But he can, and has. Because comic book logic, especially when it comes to Batman, trumps real world logic lol.
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if even 15 people dogpile batman thats more than he can press to get free, batman can at max lift 800 lbs, he can probably press more weight than that but of course not by much.
He can do 1000, easily, as part of his daily routine. So 25% more than your max. As someone who no doubt frequents the gym, you will know that his 1 rep max will then be quite a bit higher than that. and who can say what he would be able to do when the chips are down and he digs in? Am of course, ignoring the weight of the bar itself (probably about 44lbs on top of that?)
Proof (note the 500lb weight plate):
basically if they do dogpile him he just cant break free, and even if he knocks someone out while the person is on top of him that person isnt going to get off of him you know, a knocked out guy is still on top of him along with 10 others while the other ones are kicking batman in the head and stomping his face.as i said before if they take him to the ground he is dead.
if not i still dont believe he can survive 6 people from all directions attacking him at the same time while more and more people pushing in to attack him and probably jumping on him. [/B]
Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm still waiting for proof that he'd ko 6 of them within 2 seconds.
He can hit 6 of them in less than 2 seconds (bullet timing speed and superhuman strength). It may take a fraction of a second to 2 seconds for each to be knocked out after being hit. So let's say he can knock 6 out in 4 seconds maximum.
Is that better?
Originally posted by h1a8
He can hit 6 of them in less than 2 seconds (bullet timing speed and superhuman strength). It may take a fraction of a second to 2 seconds for each to be knocked out after being hit. So let's say he can knock 6 out in 4 seconds maximum.Is that better?
I already said that your speculation isn't proof
IOW, I'm still waiting for proof that he'd ko 6 of them within 2 to 4 seconds.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I already said that your speculation isn't proofIOW, I'm still waiting for proof that he'd ko 6 of them within 2 to 4 seconds.
1. Batman was shown to be a bullet timer. That means he must be able to move and react in less than 1/30th of a second. So he can easily make at least 6 strikes in 2 seconds (1 strike in 1/3rd of a second on average).
2. Batman has shown superhuman strength. He has feats over 5 tons. Thus he has the necessary strength to one shot a real human.
3. Batman is a master of pressure points. He can one shot a real human without even using his full strength.
Now if this isn't proof then provide a rebuttal.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Back off, Silent Master. I see no problem in Batman taking out 50 thugs in 17 seconds using only his fists 😈
I just want him for once to actually back up his claims, If you like I can switch it to asking him to back up his retarded "Batman has above cl 5 strength" claim.
play arkham city
Batman takes down that many thugs on a random encounter with penguin or Joker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFRYUvom9zw
I can only imagine in the comics his skills vs multiple opponents are even more insane. It may be a bit harder to find feats in the new 52
Originally posted by Silent MasterI proved it. I gave canon examples of how quick Batman can respond and how strong he can be. Now you can argue PIS if you like. So stop trolling me and give reasons why you think I didn't prove it.
Again, I have already told you multiple times that your speculation doesn't qualify as proof, now show me examples of Batman knocking out 6 people within 2 to 4 seconds.
Originally posted by Silent Master
No, you provided speculation...I want actual examples of him doing it.
Originally posted by h1a8
I proved it. I gave canon examples of how quick Batman can respond and how strong he can be. Now you can argue PIS if you like. So stop trolling me and give reasons why you think I didn't prove it.
Please stop trolling me.